Mastercard compliance and Media uploads — Announcements on True Nudists on True Nudists

TeamTrue2Original Poster

Oct 14, 2021

Fellow users, as of October 15th, Mastercard will enact new regulations that will affect the content sharing policies on the website. This will only apply to uploading media, and webcam broadcasting. All other facets of the site remain unchanged. This is not a change we desired, but MasterCard represents about 50% of our sales, and we must comply if we want to keep the lights on and the servers chugging away.

The basic overview is that

If you would like to upload nude content you must verify that you are of legal age by completing our certification process.
You must only upload content of which you are the legal copyright holder or have permission to do so
Although we understand the privacy implications of this, we are dedicated to ensuring the safety and security of your personal information, as we always do.

Due to the nature of this lifestyle, and the implications to some, we began the site with privacy being paramount. Unlike other major social media sites :

We do not sell ANY user data users to ANYONE.
We allow users to adjust their privacy settings to their degree of anonymity.
We do not cater ads, track you or analyze your usage for marketing.

This is how we have continued to grow year after year.
We're working to make this as painless as possible and we appreciate your patience as we work out some kinks. Please don't direct your frustrations at the already overworked volunteers that work day and night to keep this a safe and nurturing community. Please direct those frustrations at the credit card companies and your government representatives.

Thank you again for making this the great community that it is.

teamtrue2

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Curt
Oct 14, 2021
So as long as we're already certified we can continue to upload our nude photos just as we did before?
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Steve
Oct 14, 2021
I'm certified and had to click a button declaring I'm over 18. (As if it wasn't obvious from my profile! :-) ) Another uncertified user found she could not upload pictures with her current status.
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Strandjunge59
Oct 14, 2021
Sorry but I don't understand this post. How can Mastercard influence this website? Is Mastercard in any way involved in this website?
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Steve
Oct 14, 2021
Payment processing, I suspect.
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Guzzi27
Oct 15, 2021
[quote]Sorry but I don't understand this post. How can Mastercard influence this website? Is Mastercard in any way involved in this website?[/quote]
There has been a trend recently in companies like Visa, MasterCard and other banking institutions distancing themselves from undesirable websites and services by withdrawing payment services from them. This has largely impacted the internet porn industry but some other platforms have got caught up in it.
I assume that this is that movement creeping out. And while not directly meaning they believe naturism equates to pornography they want platforms that provide services to to be able to demonstrate that they provide adequate safeguarding measures to stop the platform being used for illegitimate purposes. On a slightly different note it would be good to have a statement from TT on GDPR compliance for those of us in the EU/UK. How they handle /protect our data. How they guarantee they delete all our data and media should we leave the site or delete images. And that means genuine/secure deletion off all servers. Not just removing the links but leaving the file on the server.
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Guzzi27
Oct 15, 2021
[quote]Great that you're finally taking action to make sure there are TRUE nudists on this site. So i understand this will also be the opportunity to finally get rid of all the many very obvious fake accounts on this site? I get the feeling that you're bummed out by the fact that you have to make sure that there arent any minors on this site. Isnt that a basic service that you should provide in the first place? I see that you're mentioning the 18+ check and cookies notification in one banner. These are sepperate things people should agree with. Also you're supposed to provide the possibility to adjust cookie preferences. For example i dont mind functionality cookies, but i do dissagree about google analytics cookies. Its a basic service you should profide if you want to build trust with your website visitors.[/quote] I think you are assuming too much. The current steps are nothing do with, and will do nothing to achieve, limiting this site to true nudists. They have done the bare minimum to keep the relevant people quiet and in side. After all clicking a button to say you are 18 is hardly a meaningful check. And apart from this there is the whole GDPR legislation in areas outside the US that they ought to be complying with but seem to be ignoring. As for needing to be certified to broadcast a camera in the chat room. It would be far more useful to restrict viewing if cams to certified users.
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Gilan
Oct 16, 2021
This is great!
I hope this helps clean up the website.
The name is TrueNudists so I hope this helps get rid of fake profiles.
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Member
Oct 16, 2021
[quote]..........I wonder if this will apply to existing members, I know of one man who has at least 7 other accounts all with fake profile pics.[/quote]

Sounds like something Strandjunge59 would do. Always stalking and criticizing others and yet never cleans up his own act. The site should just get rid of him and his many alternate profiles and there would be instant improvement here.
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Guzzi27
Oct 16, 2021
If people are so worried about the data mining and tracking element if they recent changes then do 2 things.
1) Use your browser in private browsing mode. Then no cookies etc will be left in your tablet/computer.
2) connect via a vpn. Plenty of reputable/cheap ones out there that will mask your location/ip address etc.
Alternatively close your account and drop off the site.
My suspicion with the message about cookies is that the only change is that they are now declaring, because they have been made to, what they have been doing for quite sometime. There are too few paying members on this site for them to earn enough money to keep it going otherwise.
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Member
Oct 16, 2021
Funny how my previous post was deleted and BigDudeMan's was heavily edited (censored) . Seems like unwarranted tracking is not the only think to be concerned about...............
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Jay
Oct 17, 2021
My comments were a follow-up to FreeLee's. They are ALSO gone. Let's see if THIS one remains!
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Member
Oct 17, 2021
At the bottom of the page is the following:
"This site is only available to users 18 and over and we use cookies
We use cookies for functionality, social media, and google analytics. To view our cookie policy please view Our Cookie Policy"
What exactly are Google Analytics:
Google Analytics is used to track website activity such as session duration, pages per session, bounce rate etc. of individuals using the site, along with the information on the source of the traffic.
Can Google Analytics Identify you:
Google Analytics can provide some information on who is visiting your website via the Network Report. The Google Analytics Network Report stores Service Provider data to show which service provider visitors are using to access your site.
How does Google Analytics Work?
Simply put, Google Analytics puts several lines of tracking code into the code of your website. The code records various activities of your users when they visit your website, along with the attributes (such as age, gender, interests) of those users. It then sends all that information to the GA (Google Analytics) server once the user exits your website.
Next, Google Analytics aggregates the data collected from your website in multiple ways, primarily by four levels:
User level (related to actions by each user)
Session level (each individual visit)
Pageview level (each individual page visited)
Event level (button clicks, video views, etc)
The bottom line with all of this is that if you want to share your personal information knowing that it is NOT safe or protected, then go right ahead. Others who value their individual privacy and resent other sites from either directly or indirectly (through third parties) selling your information to make money from your personal information, then go right ahead and share anything and everything.
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Guzzi27
Oct 18, 2021
[quote]At the bottom of the page is the following: "This site is only available to users 18 and over and we use cookies We use cookies for functionality, social media, and google analytics. To view our cookie policy please view Our Cookie Policy" What exactly are Google Analytics: Google Analytics is used to track website activity such as session duration, pages per session, bounce rate etc. of individuals using the site, along with the information on the source of the traffic. Can Google Analytics Identify you: Google Analytics can provide some information on who is visiting your website via the Network Report. The Google Analytics Network Report stores Service Provider data to show which service provider visitors are using to access your site. How does Google Analytics Work? Simply put, Google Analytics puts several lines of tracking code into the code of your website. The code records various activities of your users when they visit your website, along with the attributes (such as age, gender, interests) of those users. It then sends all that information to the GA (Google Analytics) server once the user exits your website. Next, Google Analytics aggregates the data collected from your website in multiple ways, primarily by four levels: User level (related to actions by each user) Session level (each individual visit) Pageview level (each individual page visited) Event level (button clicks, video views, etc) The bottom line with all of this is that if you want to share your personal information knowing that it is NOT safe or protected, then go right ahead. Others who value their individual privacy and resent other sites from either directly or indirectly (through third parties) selling your information to make money from your personal information, then go right ahead and share anything and everything.[/quote] I still go back the fact that it is highly likely, almost certain, that this site has been using such tools for quite some time. And the only difference now is that there is a message telling you that they are doing it and you accept that fact. EU Law actually states that a website must to this when you access it for the first time, and should offer you the chance to configure what types of cookies etc you agree to accept. I dont think the site actually meets EU Law in that regards despite the number of members it has there. Dont like it then use private browsing mode, a vpn and disable cross platform tracking on those devices that support it. Also surprised that the 18+/certified criteria is only being applied to posting material. Many regions would restrict the viewing to 18+ because of the nudity content. And you can actually access/view a lot of this site without actually agreeing that you are 18+/agree to the cookies. Sorry for those of you who dont like it but I can only see things getting stricter as we move forward on this site and others. It isnt the site owners who want to do this. It is countries legal systems that are imposing it. And that is driven by the abuse of the internet and social media by a minority of users.
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ME
Member
Oct 18, 2021
[quote] I still go back the fact that it is highly likely, almost certain, that this site has been using such tools for quite some time.[/quote] I agree. The point that I was making is that the site owner has the option to use or not use first party user information but not using this information does not mean that user information will still not be gathered and used by a third party. Users are still at risk regardless of what site owners do. In addition, what is driving this trend towards more restrictions and the gathering of more information is what Google Analytics (the worlds largest data gathering system) sees as an opportunity to make money. Money is the real driver behind most things in life. Alleged deviant and abusive behavior really does not enter into the picture as to the reason why more information gathering is required. What has also changed ( as you say) are the recent law changes that require sites to inform users that their personal information is being gathered and then allow them to make the decision if they want to freely give up their information. This trend will only continue to get worse until the point is reached when sites deemed not worthy of meeting pure and innocent societal standards will be put out of business. The handwriting unfortunately is on the wall for sites like this and it will only be a matter of time before the inevitable occurs.
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Member
Oct 18, 2021
I wish this website will be improved over time. I got certified even I'm not going to post my nude pictures. Just to let people know I'm a real person and bring some trust to a profile.
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Seth
Oct 18, 2021
There's some really good info here. Also, I'd like to add there are a number of browser addons that can be used which serves to block non essential trackers (among other undesirables) depending on your browser of choice which you can get. examples: ghostery, or ublock/ublock origin.
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Guzzi27
Oct 18, 2021
The new rules/systems obviously have holes in them. Just got a profile like from an account thats as only a few hours old, not certified but had a profile pic. Thought you werent meant to be able to upload media unless you were certified.
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Steve
Oct 18, 2021
Can uncertified people still upload less explicit photos? I assume that's how a fake profile can have a profile pic - just has to be facebook-legal.
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Seth
Oct 18, 2021
Ya, right before I got myself certified through the new system (missed getting it done successfully the old way by a day it seems lol), the upload section correctly warned me I couldn't upload nude photos until I was verified 18+, but it also gave an option that would allow me to upload, but with the warning that only non nude photos would be accepted.
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Ian
Oct 18, 2021
Technically GDPR is a bit grey in this area - because TN is using a .COM suffix and charges in $ it's not marketing to the European market but it's Europeans using a US-based service, therefore GDPR doesn't apply. In just the same way that going into a US department store and spending money would be out of scope of GDPR.
That said, various US states have privacy laws coming into effect; Californian law (CCPA) talks very much about residents of California, and the other state laws are very much focused on the right of the corporate to use personal data rather than CCPA focusing on the rights of the individual to own their data.
But yes, opting out of tracking & marketing cookies is best practise wherever you're based.
Privacy is a minefield !
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Guzzi27
Oct 18, 2021
[quote]Technically GDPR is a bit grey in this area - because TN is using a .COM suffix and charges in $ it's not marketing to the European market but it's Europeans using a US-based service, therefore GDPR doesn't apply. In just the same way that going into a US department store and spending money would be out of scope of GDPR. That said, various US states have privacy laws coming into effect; Californian law (CCPA) talks very much about residents of California, and the other state laws are very much focused on the right of the corporate to use personal data rather than CCPA focusing on the rights of the individual to own their data. But yes, opting out of tracking & marketing cookies is best practise wherever you're based. Privacy is a minefield ![/quote] GDPR does apply if EU citizens access the site. Any number of smaller websites started blocking EU residents when the rules were introduced because they didnt want to comply with the rules. The .com website address has nothing to do with it. The currency a service charges in is irrelevant as is the country it is hosted in. It is the fact that an EU resident has signed up for your service and given you an email address that is the deciding factor. Once they have done that then the website is storing data belonging to an EU citizen and they have to comply. GDPR includes the right for users to easily request that all their data and media are deleted from the systems if they ask for it to be. Something, based on what I have heard, TT would struggle to comply with.
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Ian
Oct 19, 2021
Perhaps I should have said GDPR would apply if a .co.uk or .fr or .de website rather than using a .com.
The point is that we are seeking them out and not them targeting us. Therefore, we're "coincidental" users of the system and their system is run according to US law and the enforcement of GDPR outside of the EU is never going to be easy in this situation.
Caveat emptor
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ME
Member
Oct 19, 2021
The problem with most if not all websites today is the complete lack of trust by most people. Website statistics can be easily manipulated and actual statistics can be whatever a person chooses them to be based upon playing with the definitions of words. For example, who or what is considered a 'member'? Is a member an active or participating person who regularly visits the site and contributes something (photos, posts, chat) at least once a week, month, year, decade? Is a member anyone who has either visited or joined a site since it's inception which basically means that someone may have visited or joined a site 20 years ago and has not been back since?
Higher membership and visit counts certainly can lead to higher revenue but unless the numbers are a true and accurate reflection of an honest and upfront definition of what is exactly considered a member or visitor, then the numbers and claims are meaningless.
Is it any wonder why there is so much distrust and skepticism in today's world when people are constantly lied to and manipulated to meet site revenue goals. No wonder most people do not want to give away personal information. How can they ever trust anyone when that trust is never really earned by so many on line sites that claim astounding membership numbers only to serve their own purpose of generating more advertising revenue by fudging membership numbers at the expense of their real member's trust.
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Guzzi27
Oct 19, 2021
[quote]Perhaps I should have said GDPR would apply if a .co.uk or .fr or .de website rather than using a .com. The point is that we are seeking them out and not them targeting us. Therefore, we're "coincidental" users of the system and their system is run according to US law and the enforcement of GDPR outside of the EU is never going to be easy in this situation. Caveat emptor[/quote] No the website address be it .com , .co.uk, .fr or whatever has nothing to do with it. GDPR is triggered once you store an EU users details in any form however limited. There are numerous guides for US websites/online services that state exactly that. It might not be easy to enforce if there isnt a legal entity in the EU but that doesnt mean the requirement isnt there.
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