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BornAgainOriginal Poster
Nov 10, 2013TRUTH: hating yourself, others, or your situation won't help change your life for the better.
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ManOfWicklowNov 16, 2013[quote]Thank God I'm An Atheist.[/quote]Thank God I'm a Human.ReactReply - T=
Tom === Thomas S. TierneyNov 16, 2013[quote][quote]Thank God I'm An Atheist.[/quote]Thank God I'm a Human.[/quote]You can be both.ReactReply - RA
ravensflyinnowNov 16, 2013[quote]We know that there are many Muslims who hate Christians and hate Jews. There are many so called "good" Muslims who say they don't hate Christians or Jews but they still follow a religion that teaches it is right and noble to kill Christians and Jews. I would like to know of one "good" Muslim who publicly criticized radical Muslims for acts of violence against Christians or Jews.
Before you criticize this post, please name that one individual. Please be specific; say who it is, what they said and when and where they said it.[/quote]A quick search on the internet, using, Muslims condemn violence, Muslims condemn violence against Jews.... Against Christians , turned up volumes of articles. One in particular from Religion Dispatches, suggests that opposition from Muslims might not be heard by the western world, because a majority of Muslims, communicate, in non European languages. The Pew Research Center study, shows that 81% of the Muslims in the US condemn violence against civilians in any way and 71% globally. Be a man so blind, as he who will not see.
If we are looking at religious fanaticism, one only needs to look to the conflict in Ireland... Christians, killing Christians.ReactReply - JO
JohnNov 16, 2013All of this stems directly from the imperfection of man. That's why Jesus' simple rule, if applied to all situations, would make this a better place. Love they neighbor. Modern translation: get along. Be nice to everyone no matter what their differences. Accept diversity of all kinds. If we all did this, the world would be a much better place.
ReactReply - MAManOfWicklowNov 16, 2013[quote]All of this stems directly from the imperfection of man. That's why Jesus' simple rule, if applied to all situations, would make this a better place. Love they neighbor. Modern translation: get along. Be nice to everyone no matter what their differences. Accept diversity of all kinds. If we all did this, the world would be a much better place.[/quote]DittoReactReply
- MEMemberNov 16, 2013[quote]All of this stems directly from the imperfection of man. That's why Jesus' simple rule, if applied to all situations, would make this a better place. Love they neighbor. Modern translation: get along. Be nice to everyone no matter what their differences. Accept diversity of all kinds. If we all did this, the world would be a much better place.[/quote]AmenReactReply
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SoupieNov 16, 2013Which is why stereotyping muslims is wrong.
ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyNov 16, 2013Well I had my morning laugh. Thanx believers.ReactReply
- MAManOfWicklowNov 17, 2013[quote]The Pew Research Center study, shows that 81% of the Muslims in the US condemn violence against civilians in any way and 71% globally.[/quote]
These figures are very frightening indeed. In the Us it means 19% of 2.6 million which is 494,000 and Worldwide 29 % of 1.6 billion which is 464 million.
In total that is 464,494,000 potentially dangerous fanatics.ReactReply - RAravensflyinnowNov 17, 2013[quote][quote]The Pew Research Center study, shows that 81% of the Muslims in the US condemn violence against civilians in any way and 71% globally.[/quote]
These figures are very frightening indeed. In the Us it means 19% of 2.6 million which is 494,000 and Worldwide 29 % of 1.6 billion which is 464 million.
In total that is 464,494,000 potentially dangerous fanatics.[/quote]And again.... There is the fanaticism.. Because one doesn't condemn violence, doesn't mean they are out killing people or supporting it. It isn't all or nothing, black or white.ReactReply - MAManOfWicklowNov 17, 2013[quote]
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[quote]The Pew Research Center study, shows that 81% of the Muslims in the US condemn violence against civilians in any way and 71% globally.[/quote]
These figures are very frightening indeed. In the Us it means 19% of 2.6 million which is 494,000 and Worldwide 29 % of 1.6 billion which is 464 million.
In total that is 464,494,000 potentially dangerous fanatics.[/quote]And again.... There is thefanaticism.. Because one doesn't condemn violence, doesn't mean they are out killing people or supporting it. It isn't all or nothing, black or white.[/quote]I agree, you are right in saying it isn't all or nothing, so that MUST work both ways: Many of those who say they condemn violence will still turn a blind eye to it or even shield the perpetrators.ReactReply - RAravensflyinnowNov 17, 2013[quote] Many of those who say they condemn violence will still turn a blind eye to it or even shield the perpetrators.[/quote]Can you actually say many of those who condemn violence will turn a blind eye, without including yourself? It happens around the world everyday. Do you condemn your government for it, did you fight in a war, where a great many innocent civilians died? We are all guilty of "turning a blind eye", but are we bad people? Singling out all Muslims for somes bad behaviour is wrong.ReactReply
- MAManOfWicklowNov 17, 2013[quote][quote] Many of those who say they condemn violence will still turn a blind eye to it or even shield the perpetrators.[/quote]Can you actually say many of those who condemn violence will turn a blind eye, without including yourself? It happens around the world everyday. Do you condemn your government for it, did you fight in a war, where a great many innocent civilians died? We are all guilty of "turning a blind eye", but are we bad people? Singling out all Muslims for somes bad behaviour is wrong.[/quote]Who is singling out all Muslims ? Certainly not me. I have spent many years living and working with them, and I have Muslim friends, but only a fool would deny they pose the greatest threat to world peace.ReactReply
- RAravensflyinnowNov 17, 2013[quote][quote][quote] Many of those who say they condemn violence will still turn a blind eye to it or even shield the perpetrators.[/quote]Can you actually say many of those who condemn violence will turn a blind eye, without including yourself? It happens around the world everyday. Do you condemn your government for it, did you fight in a war, where a great many innocent civilians died? We are all guilty of "turning a blind eye", but are we bad people? Singling out all Muslims for somes bad behaviour is wrong.[/quote]Who is singling out all Muslims ? Certainly not me. I have spent many years living and working with them, and I have Muslim friends, but only a fool would deny they pose the greatest threat to world peace.[/quote]Politicians pose the greatest threat to world peaceReactReply
- MAManOfWicklowNov 17, 2013[quote]Politicians pose the greatest threat to world peace[/quote]Yes, and I blame it on their parents and the education system.ReactReply
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ChristopherNov 17, 2013[quote]
We know that there are many Muslims who hate Christians and hate Jews. There are many so called "good" Muslims who say they don't hate Christians or Jews but they still follow a religion that teaches it is right and noble to kill Christians and Jews. I would like to know of one "good" Muslim who publicly criticized radical Muslims for acts of violence against Christians or Jews.
Before you criticize this post, please name that one individual. Please be specific; say who it is, what they said and when and where they said it.
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I really would love to show this post to our company's comptroller. She is a Muslim, born in North Africa who is married to a man born in Europe to a Jewish/Catholic set of parents. I can't show her the post this week since she and her husband went to Israel on vacation. He felt going to Yad Vashem was the proper way to honor his (great?) grandparents who were murdered by Christians during the Holocaust.
It is so incredible that to you only Muslims hate/kill Jews and Christians. Have not Christians been solely responsible for pogroms and the Holocaust? Historically, more Christians have been responsible for killing Jews then Muslims. My intent here is not to cast blame at Christians for the past, but to illustrate how your condemnation of Islam is factually incorrect.
Your world view is sadly lacking. Even if you read our local newspaper,NEWSDAY,you would see that Imans from the mosques in our area have spoken against violence and hatred. They frequently are involved non-demotional prayer and social meetings with local churches, temples, and synagogues to promote greater inter-religious freedom, understanding, and acceptance.ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyNov 17, 2013The world would be so much more peaceful if it were not for religions spewing hate.ReactReply
- BOBornAgainOriginal PosterNov 18, 2013[quote]The world be so much more peaceful if it were not for religions spewing hate.
[/quote]Amen! This is why I do not subscribe to religious dogma but a relationship with my creator and He is all about LOVE! Christians, Muslims, Agnostics, Atheists... whatever your faith of choice... can be hateful... LOVE IS NOT THE EASY THING.ReactReply - MAManOfWicklowNov 18, 2013If we had only one universal religion throughout the world, people would still use is it as an excuse for their evil deeds.ReactReply
- BOBornAgainOriginal PosterNov 18, 2013[quote]If we had only one universal religion throughout the world, people would still use is it as an excuse for their evil deeds.[/quote]YEP, free will is a dangerous gift.ReactReply
- MAManOfWicklowNov 18, 2013[quote]YEP, free will is a dangerous gift.[/quote]Yeah, I saw that film about the whale.ReactReply
- MEMemberNov 18, 2013[quote][quote]
We know that there are many Muslims who hate Christians and hate Jews. There are many so called "good" Muslims who say they don't hate Christians or Jews but they still follow a religion that teaches it is right and noble to kill Christians and Jews. I would like to know of one "good" Muslim who publicly criticized radical Muslims for acts of violence against Christians or Jews.
Before you criticize this post, please name that one individual. Please be specific; say who it is, what they said and when and where they said it.
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It is so incredible that to you only Muslims hate/kill Jews and Christians. Have not Christians been solely responsible for pogroms and the Holocaust? Historically, more Christians have been responsible for killing Jews then Muslims. My intent here is not to cast blame at Christians for the past, but to illustrate how your condemnation of Islam is factually incorrect.
Your world view is sadly lacking. Even if you read our local newspaper,NEWSDAY,you would see that Imans from the mosques in our area have spoken against violence and hatred. They frequently are involved non-demotional prayer and social meetings with local churches, temples, and synagogues to promote greater inter-religious freedom, understanding, and acceptance.[/quote]Where did Desert say that only Muslims hate & kill Jews and Christians?
Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust, and Christianity was on his target list as well; he was secularist-very Anti-Christian and he planned to remove Christianity from Germany.
The sad thing about the Muslim situation is that there have not been leaders and groups that have achieved a high profile to counter the radicals.ReactReply - ST
SteveNov 18, 2013One doesn't "achieve" a high profile, one is given it by the media.
No Muslim leader has been given such a national platform to speak against violence. Such gestures aren't even welcome. Twice, when former Iranian president Ahmadinejad was in New York visiting the United Nations, he asked to go the few blocks to the World Trade center to lay a wreath in memory of the 9/11 victims, and was refused. No, he's not a nice guy and I'm not defending his policies or the bizarre-ness of some of his attitudes, but why would wenotlet a powerful Muslim leader make a gesture in rejection of terrorist violence?ReactReply - SOSoupieNov 18, 2013
There have been as many christian radicals as muslims, and they have committed as many crimes. They misread and misinterpret the message. Criticizing muslims is not a "christian" philosophy. It's just bigotry.
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