Fellow TNers: It’s clear now that no matter what safeguards are put in place, people who have too much time on their hands will troll. It’s simply a fact of virtual life.
These trolls flame us and we fight back. But when we do so, we simply give them ammunition to continue. Therefore, I humbly make the following suggestion:
When a troll has been identified, STUDIOUSLY AVOID EVERYTHING HE OR SHE WRITES. Just flag and invite others to do so. The only posted response to a troll posting should be “flagged”. That’s all. No comment, no protest; at most, add a little image that stands for “troll alert”.
The trolls enjoy making us react. They’re very good at setting snares and making us give them more attention than they’re worth. But only we can decide to temper our actions. Only we can decide to resist the urge to challenge them on some point or another. It is a troll’s nature to react to the challenge, although they will rarely actually take it up.
If a troll is not having fun, he may start to lose interest, which is a good thing. The troll's worst enemy is the audience of one, himself. Let’s at least give it a try.
Replies
- BE
beachformeAug 31, 2011For relative newbies... can you define Troll? I think of a troll as an old curmudgeonly overweight hairy guy who lives under a bridge.
ReactReply - BEbeachformeAug 31, 2011
If that's the case, perhaps we need more of them?
ReactReply - BEbeachformeAug 31, 2011[quote][quote][/quote] Some people see a troll as: One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.[/quote] Well, if that's the definition, perhaps we need less of them.ReactReply
- MEMemberAug 31, 2011
Agree with Natives Post on this one. I too will flag someone who is behaving badly either through their words or actions. I want this site to be what it is intended to be; a place to meet other true nudists who discuss the nudist lifestyle, share similar interests, and might possibly want to meet some day. I will not give the "troll" any more thoughts then need be.
ReactReply - RE
renebbareAug 31, 2011Feeding Trolls is easy, they are hungry!
What they dont like is reasoned argument and a reasonable attitude. When you persistently ingore their name-calling and return them to their ignorant and immature reasoning they wither, shrink and poof - gone!ReactReply - BU
BurnsintheSunAug 31, 2011Perhaps we could come up with some snipit saying something to the effect of:This line of dialog is not cunductive to the ideals of nudism, or the atmosphere we wish to maintain in the forum, all true nudists please refrain from commenting further. Then the first rational person who sees the troll's post can copy/paste and hopefully that would disuade others from feeding the troll. Of course expecting people on the internet to act rationally is somewhere along the lines of herding cats.ReactReply - KA
karhuukAug 31, 2011[quote]For relative newbies... can you define Troll? I think of a troll as an old curmudgeonly overweight hairy guy who lives under a bridge.[/quote] As an old, curmudgeonly, overweight, hairy guy, I wish to take exception to this definition. And no, I do not live under a bridge.ReactReply - MA
macnudeAug 31, 2011......to copy and paste this award as a reply to those deserving. [url=http://www.truenudists.com/forum/#]
[/url]ReactReply - MA
ManOfWicklowAug 31, 2011[quote]oh good more mall cops[/quote] Yes it IS good, I'm glad you agree. It will be the best improvement that all TRUE nudists could wish for.ReactReply - DI
dicemanAug 31, 2011[quote]Fellow TNers: It’s clear now that no matter what safeguards are put in place, people who have too much time on their hands will troll. It’s simply a fact of virtual life. These trolls flame us and we fight back. But when we do so, we simply give them ammunition to continue. Therefore, I humbly make the following suggestion: When a troll has been identified, STUDIOUSLY AVOID EVERYTHING HE OR SHE WRITES. Just flag and invite others to do so. The only posted response to a troll posting should be “flagged”. That’s all. No comment, no protest; at most, add a little image that stands for “troll alert”. The trolls enjoy making us react. They’re very good at setting snares and making us give them more attention than they’re worth. But only we can decide to temper our actions. Only we can decide to resist the urge to challenge them on some point or another. It is a troll’s nature to react to the challenge, although they will rarely actually take it up. If a troll is not having fun, he may start to lose interest, which is a good thing. The troll's worst enemy is the audience of one, himself. Let’s at least give it a try.[/quote] This is a good idea. I've done it and it works! As A man, it's hard to take a hit to the jaw in public and do nothing. As a strong man you can take the hit without interruptionReactReply - WE
westheathenAug 31, 2011Ignoring them is a good way to deal with the vermin; however I remember that we tried this tactic last time the scum visited, without much success.
ReactReply - DIdicemanAug 31, 2011[quote]Ignoring them is a good way to deal with the vermin; however I remember that we tried this tactic last time the scum visited, without much success.[/quote] Yes, I remember! 8^)ReactReply
- RA
ravensflyinnowAug 31, 2011I too was told today that I was not a True Nudist. It came after someone said there is a difference between being naked and being nude. I asked what the difference was and the reply was..."If you don't know the difference...you're not a True Nudist!" He was serious and I started to call him out, but decided it wasn't worth it. I still see no difference...they are just words..... meaning the same thing
ReactReply - GEGerry-4Original PosterSep 2, 2011[quote]Not sure if this qualifies as 'trolling', but would welcome your opinion.In the chat room, I post what I consider to be a witty aside (as seems to be a common occurence). My comment is not insulting in any way. It is not aggressive and does not single out any individual. In fact, it is rather self-deprecatory.Within seconds, I receive a personal message containing abuse directed at me for my comment. I hesitate before replying, but do so with words to the effect that I don't want to dignify the sender by replying in kind. Obviously, that was a mistake!Almost instantaneously, in the open chat room, I am accused of being a 'not a real nudist' and an 'old pervert' who should 'get a life'. There was more, but I don't remember it all. Apparently the person who posted these comments came to this conclusion for the following reasons: 1 My profile photos are all indoor shots and 2 they appear to have been taken with a timer. So they are. I admit that freely. However, I do not feel that I need to justify the fact.Despite receiving support from other members in the chat room, I found the whole thing very disquieting and am seriously considering withdrawing from the site. In the meantime, I have changed my photos to 'friends only'. No doubt this action and withdrawing from the site will be seen by the person who made this personal attack as confirmation of his accusation. Shades of Senator McCarthy . . .So, my question is . . . is this an example of 'trolling'? By the way, the poster was quick to leave the chat room when he/she saw that not everybody appreciated his comments.[/quote] Hard to say since I don't know what your initial comment was. If this was on the non-private chat, I'm surprised he got away with it without anyone else questioning his motives. Witty comments per se aren't trolling. Maybe it was just a big misunderstanding. Sort of like the poor British chap who told the cigarette smokers at a U.S. high school that he didn't want to see any fags thrown about. In Britain, fags are cigarette butts. In the U.S., the word has a very different connotation. Sometimes, that's all it takes.ReactReply
- CO
Curt, or CowboySep 2, 2011[quote]Not sure if this qualifies as 'trolling', but would welcome your opinion.In the chat room, I post what I consider to be a witty aside (as seems to be a common occurence). My comment is not insulting in any way. It is not aggressive and does not single out any individual. In fact, it is rather self-deprecatory.Within seconds, I receive a personal message containing abuse directed at me for my comment. I hesitate before replying, but do so with words to the effect that I don't want to dignify the sender by replying in kind. Obviously, that was a mistake!Almost instantaneously, in the open chat room, I am accused of being a 'not a real nudist' and an 'old pervert' who should 'get a life'. There was more, . . .So, my question is . . . is this an example of 'trolling'? [/quote] Not technically, no. It's more a flame. Trolling doesn't involve an attack on any one individual, usually, though it may to prolong an argument, and dominate a thread to the great detriment of any value the thread may have had. Flaming is an attack on an individual. Equally as distasteful as trolling at best. The primary difference is that trolling doesn't care who is baited into the argument, but only that one is provoked. A flame is directed at an individual singled out for abuse.ReactReply - COCurt, or CowboySep 2, 2011
Gerry's post #1 is exactly 100% on target, with one and only one correction.
Don't even post that they've been flagged !
Totally and completely ignoring a troll is the ONLY effective way of dealing with them. Period.
It's always effective. 100%.
ANY response to a troll lets them know there are fish in the area, and so they persist.
Absolutely any response at all plays into their hand, and is always self-defeating, plus cluttering up the forum
with useless tripe, and generally making it an unfriendly place.ReactReply - COCurt, or CowboySep 2, 2011[quote]the only good thing about a troll, is they can't resit temptation.[/quote] Not exactly true. The children can't seem to resist the temptation to engage a flame war, but a good troll will rarely appear.ReactReply
- COCurt, or CowboySep 2, 2011[quote]how do you associate children with being a troll. a way different topic and no where close to what a troll represents.......children are pure and they learn what they are taught.........just shaking my head here on what you think children and trolls have in common[/quote] You completely misunderstand my use of the word. "Children" in this context meaning not those of tender years, but those who appear to be mentally stuck at a much earlier era in their own development. When we tell a child to just grow up, we often forget that is exactly what they are doing. We generally mean something quite different when addressing a physical adult.ReactReply
- DIdicemanSep 15, 2011
bump
ReactReply - SU
sumdudeNov 6, 2011[quote] It's important to note that to me, thought provoking comments or posts that are intended to begin a debate-even a lively one- are not trolling. As long as it is a substantive debate wtih a legitimate POV and it is not intended to simply cause a fight..[/quote]I am glad you said that.ReactReply - JAjamieg25Jul 2, 2012flaming is trolling
real world definition includes
flaming
hijacking threads
posting attacks that look like advice
posting false - information
direct attacks
many many moreReactReply - JAjamieg25Jul 2, 2012[quote]guess what people any web site any place want some trolls look any website people will troll guess what THERE IS TROLLS ON ON EVERY WEBSITES. and every website got to know how to controll them. look trolls is an least of this places problems nope becouse it is so easy to take down the trolls here are not trolls there dolls in an pool i seen real trolling and when you think this is trolling you have seen nothing.
the perves will take over this it is easy they like penis. [/quote]there is bank robbers in every city so i guess that is ok too
just because they are there does not make it rightReactReply