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  Bill

  Feb 9, 2022

  Has the niece expressed any interest in nudism before? Being open about it with her sounds like a better option than to let her see your nudity "by accident", but if she's the curious-type in general, I don't see too much harm coming from you leaving the pictures where she can find them. These are just naked pictures, not the kind with sexual overtones, I'm assuming? Keep it clean!

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• PA

  

  Paul

  Feb 9, 2022

  What's rude about a human without artificial adornment? [quote]This is where I disagree with "nudism". Why surprise the niece with a naked picture of anyone, much less her uncle? Why does foisting one's nudity on someone who is not expecting it seem like a good thing and not rude?[/quote] 1. It's just a penis; every man has one 2. No one was every harmed by seeing a member of their own species without artificial adornment 3. The most shocking thing about human genitals is that anyone is shocked by them 4. If we were supposed to be naked, we would have been born that way. 5. My body is good, fearfully and wonderfully made, and the temple of the set-apart spirit 6. Modesty in the Bible is about not being OVER dressed with jewelry, hair-dos, and fancy clothing 7. No one ever got into trouble in the Bible for being nude 8. The only people in the Bible who did get into trouble regarding nudity were those who were upset about, bothered by, sexually turned on by, or who made a big deal about nudity 9. I neither designed nor made my body; I have cause for neither pride or shame 10. If you see something that offends you, gouge your eye out; the offense is inside you, not external to you 11. Clothingism: The false teaching that clothing is better than YHVH's design. 12. Anthropologists agree that complete nudity in unclothed societies carries no suggestion of sexuality 13. There is no commandant in the Bible directing the ordinary person to wear clothing 14. The Bible never associates nudity with immorality 15. If I feel I must hide my body because it is shameful, obscene, filthy, or disgusting, then I might as well spit in my creator's face 16. All of us entered life naked, unashamed, and with a clean mind: modestly. Any immodesty is acquired in an unclean mind; there is no other way to get that ~ Mark Twain [rephrased] 17. He who seeks nakedness, seeks the truth. He who fears truth, fears nakedness. ~ Erik Holm 18. If anything is sacred, the human body is sacred. ~ Walt Whitman 19. The body is a sacred garment and never lies. ~ Martha Graham 20. The clothes of the body were sweet silk, but this nakedness is sweeter. ~ Jalal ad-Din Rumi 21. With nothing left to hide outside, it's easier to be whoever we are inside. ~ Stuart R. Ward [rephrased] 22. Man is the sole animal whose nudity offends his own companions, and the only one who, in his natural actions, withdraws and hides himself from his own kind. ~ Michel de Montaigne 23. Naked doesn't always equate to sex or showers, but sometimes a naked person takes a shower ~ Alex in Anaheim 24. To be naked is to be oneself ~ John Berger 25. We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression ~ Lepanto 26. Why be a royal fish trying to wear pants? ~ Hafiz 27. We don't say animals are nude when they are not wearing artificial adornments; it makes no more sense to say people are nude when we are not covered by artificial adornments -- Rick Orlando 28. Nudity is never foisted on anyone; nudity is the mere absence of artificial adornments

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• PA

  

  Paul

  Feb 9, 2022

  Be that as it may, [quote]In society, we have certain social constructs and agreements. There are expectations of how people will behave. In much of the world, people are generally clothed. In addition, nudity with a non-spouse of a different gender is generally discouraged. If there is a great age differential, even more so. If we force or sneak nudity in where it is not expected, we are forcing on people who don't expect it. As much as we want them to respect our wish to be naked, we should respect their wish not to be with us when naked.[/quote] we need to work diligently to correct those erroneous and harmful social constructs.
  
  So, the niece stumbles upon a image of her uncle in his natural form. Was she harmed? No. Perhaps it will take a bit of coaching, but she should come to realized that she was, in fact, not harmed by seeing her uncle.
  
  At another time, she sees him or someone else without artificial adornment. Again, eventually, she realizes that the incident didn't harm her.
  
  And another time. And another time.
  
  It may take a while, but she will come to the conclusion that she is not harmed by seeing natural human beings.

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• JE

  

  John EnglishOriginal Poster

  Feb 9, 2022

  The niece knows I am a nudists and at there old house they use to let me skinny dip but it's been a few years

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• PA

  

  Paul

  Feb 9, 2022

  OK. [quote]We will have to agree to disagree about this one.[/quote] I always enjoy a discussion with you.

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• PA

  

  Paul

  Feb 9, 2022

  So, in this case, it would not be as if seeing you naked would be completely unexpected. [quote]The niece knows I am a nudists and at there old house they use to let me skinny dip but it's been a few years[/quote]

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• JE

  

  John EnglishOriginal Poster

  Feb 9, 2022

  True on that

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• ME

  Member

  Feb 10, 2022

  I must agree with Milwaukee on the pictures. Finding nude pictures of a relative on a phone to which you have been given access would not be the best choice, stick to paint swatches.

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• ME

  Member

  Feb 10, 2022

  I have to agree with all your points. Id like to add reference to point 14. Rev 16:15 says to keep your clothes with you at all times. Meaning to have them ready to leave. It never states to be dressed or have clothes on.
  I really liked all the quotes from others. Not that they are any final say so but that they also understand and support the lifestyle of no clothing. I believe society has brow beat almost everyone that there is something wrong with living nude. Sexualizes it and thus turned many a possible nudist away from what could make them happier than they are currently. Those people have caused great harm to those who listen and are turned away. They have caused them to be mislead and that is not a good place to be, the stumbling block.
  I will say that there are those who live nude with altered motives and they cast shame on the ones with genuine hearts towards being nude. They too become stumbling blocks to others. Let me be clear, Im not judging anyone, Im nearly stating facts as I know them. Im not trying to be the devils advocate here. If you disagree, thats your prerogative.

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• ME

  Member

  Feb 10, 2022

  I have to agree with all your points. Id like to add reference to point 14. Rev 16:15 says to keep your clothes with you at all times. Meaning to have them ready to leave. It never states to be dressed or have clothes on.
  I really liked all the quotes from others. Not that they are any final say so but that they also understand and support the lifestyle of no clothing. I believe society has brow beat almost everyone that there is something wrong with living nude. Sexualizes it and thus turned many a possible nudist away from what could make them happier than they are currently. Those people have caused great harm to those who listen and are turned away. They have caused them to be mislead and that is not a good place to be, the stumbling block.
  I will say that there are those who live nude with altered motives and they cast shame on the ones with genuine hearts towards being nude. They too become stumbling blocks to others. Let me be clear, Im not judging anyone, Im nearly stating facts as I know them. Im not trying to be the devils advocate here. If you disagree, thats your prerogative.

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• BI

  

  Bill

  Feb 10, 2022

  I feel like your niece might be hoping to see some nude photos if she's been cruising through the phone's photo collection without asking first, but that's a guess. Since she's knowledgeable of your nudist tendencies in the past, it seems logical she's got a curiosity about the subject and hoping to find out if you're sharing some of your baring habits on the phone.

  Do you think she might've seen you skinny-dipping back during your visits to her home in the past? Too bad she didn't simply come join you in the pool or hot tub back then, but maybe that was more to respect your privacy. I'm glad it was your wife who suggested this idea since I would guess she knows her niece better than you and whether she's ready to see her uncle in the buff. This could begin a healthy new chapter in her life if your pictures help her get to a better understanding of why you crave no clothes. "My uncle is crazy! He always wants to be naked," changes into, "Oh now I see - this is why he always wants to be naked." It also may inspire your wife to be more open about nudism if her niece starts revealing herself around your home. I'm starting to get on the bandwagon now!

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• PA

  

  Paul

  Feb 10, 2022

  If someone were working out in the field, they were, in fact, nude. [quote]Id like to add reference to point 14. Rev 16:15 says to keep your clothes with you at all times. Meaning to have them ready to leave. It never states to be dressed or have clothes on.[/quote] There was no shame in simple nudity and everyone was nude when working out in the field, fishing, or doing anything else that might have soiled their one and only garment. In other situations, nudity was a sign of poverty. So, if you want to save yourself the shame of being thought poor, keep your clothing near by because you're not going to have time to go back to the house and get it.

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• MB

  

  mr. bill

  Feb 15, 2022

  Y'all definitely know and understand your niece intelligence. She may approach 1 day to ask if ok she join y'all. The ice is broken. So enjoy life times and bravo for excepting her and her you as well !

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• JO

  

  John

  Feb 15, 2022

  My take on this would be:
  Why shouldn't children know what people look like?

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• JE

  

  John EnglishOriginal Poster

  Feb 20, 2022

  Up date my niece thought it was funny she told us we should get a room lol

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• ME

  Member

  Feb 21, 2022

  Best possible answer, way to go John!

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• BI

  

  Bill

  Feb 21, 2022

  [quote]Up date my niece thought it was funny she told us we should get a room lol[/quote] That's cool! And it's good for her to see older folks still being silly and sexy by sharing nude pictures. Doing things like that keeps us younger, I think. Did you get to discuss it with her more than the one comment she made about taking care of your sexy needs? What sort of picture or pictures did you end up leaving on the phone for her to see? Did she say anything about her thoughts about you being able to be nude around her when she's visiting your home, or would your not-so-into-nudism woman want you to go that far? It seems like a logical progression since the niece didn't freak out upon seeing you bare. Regardless, congratulations on the successful unveiling!

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• ST

  

  StevieLorna

  Mar 25, 2022

  [quote]Up date my niece thought it was funny she told us we should get a room lol[/quote] Sick fantasy.

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• TD

  

  Tom D

  Mar 25, 2022

  [quote]I have to agree with all your points. Id like to add reference to point 14. Rev 16:15 says to keep your clothes with you at all times. Meaning to have them ready to leave. It never states to be dressed or have clothes on. [/quote] In biblical times, clothing was difficult to make and maintain, so it was often not worn where it was likely to be torn or become extremely dirty, like fishing, farming, etc.

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  StevieLorna

  Mar 25, 2022

  [quote]I In biblical times, clothing was difficult to make and maintain, so it was often not worn where it was likely to be torn or become extremely dirty, like fishing, farming, etc.[/quote] What sources are you using for this statement? Biblical times, I assume you mean two to three thousand years ago. People then had no difficulty in making clothes or maintaining them. In fact modern people are far more useless at maintaining clothes than back then.

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• JE

  

  John EnglishOriginal Poster

  Mar 25, 2022

  Just so everyone knows my niece is 48 married and hasn't kids and the pics were just me nude not doing anything so

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• SI

  

  simba-nala

  Mar 26, 2022

  Hi JohnE44,
  I think in other situations people have suggested leaving nude vacation pictures laying out as a conversation starter. If the 48 year old (which may have seen him skinny dipping in the past) is snooping through someones phone. Then so be it.

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• NU

  

  nudony

  Mar 26, 2022

  [quote]After that was she OK with you being nude also? Many people have more comfort with same gender nudity than mixed.[/quote] Yes. She did say she was ok with me staying nude as well. The only problem was: I was not comfortable hanging out naked around my dressed MIL like my wife was. She did catch me nude once, as my wife let her inside the house while I was showering. When I came out into the living room naked I saw her sitting on the living room couch; and she immediately exclaimed: "Woohoo!"; which made me feel self-conscious. She didn't mean anything by it but I found it so off-putting that I turned around and grabbed a pair of shorts. I was not the experienced social nudist I am today; and rather than sit with her and discuss nudist etiquette, I chose to not be naked around her. I explained to my wife that the best way to normalize nudity between us would be if her Mom got naked too when she came over. But in spite of multiple invitations to disrobe or join us at the resort, she respectfully declined. The "story" doesn't end there; as it had multiple episodes before the "grand finale." But for the sake of brevity I'll get straight to the conclusion. I had a conversation with my wife after we'd relocated, which surprised me. It turned out that my MIL was not at all opposed to being naked with us, but she was also concerned about how I would react to her nudity. So she was waiting for me to show comfort being naked around her before considering making the "leap." So basically, because I never sat down with her and discussed it, nothing ever happened. The moral of the story is: communication. Obviously, I don't know how a conversation about us being naked around each other would have turned out. But at least we could have talked about it.

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• TD

  

  Tom D

  Mar 26, 2022

  [quote]After that was she OK with you being nude also?Many people have more comfort with same gender nudity than mixed. Yes. She did say she was ok with me staying nude as well. The only problem was: I was not comfortable hanging out naked around my dressed MIL like my wife was. She did catch me nude once, as my wife let her inside the house while I was showering. When I came out into the living room naked I saw her sitting on the living room couch; and she immediately exclaimed: "Woohoo!"; which made me feel self-conscious. She didn't mean anything by it but I found it so off-putting that I turned around and grabbed a pair of shorts. I was not the experienced social nudist I am today; and rather than sit with her and discuss nudist etiquette, I chose to not be naked around her. I explained to my wife that the best way to normalize nudity between us would be if her Mom got naked too when she came over. But in spite of multiple invitations to disrobe or join us at the resort, she respectfully declined. The "story" doesn't end there; as it had multiple episodes before the "grand finale." But for the sake of brevity I'll get straight to the conclusion. I had a conversation with my wife after we'd relocated, which surprised me. It turned out that my MIL was not at all opposed to being naked with us, but she was also concerned about how I would react to her nudity. So she was waiting for me to show comfort being naked around her before considering making the "leap." So basically, because I never sat down with her and discussed it, nothing ever happened. The moral of the story is: communication. Obviously, I don't know how a conversation about us being naked around each other would have turned out. But at least we could have talked about it.[/quote] I agree that communication is helpful. I have a privacy fence around my pool and deck. One neighbor can still see into part of the area. I knew him well enough to know that he didn't care. When a new neighbor moved in, I put a wind screen on top of the fence. When I took it down in the fall, he asked me about it. I said that I prefer to swim and sun nude, He said that it wouldn't bother him if he he saw it over the fence. I won't have to get another wind screen next summer,

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