A Bad Word For A Good Cause?

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  renebbare

  Jun 19, 2011

  It is good that on reflection some here can edit their distastefull posts, I wish more saw fit to do likewise.
  NB, I would bow to your greater knowledge of youth but ask, (in the 18-30 range this may be acceptable) what about the majority of thinking adults (30-70) there are way more of us and we are not all ogres but then again we are not all liberal minded.

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 19, 2011

  On the effectiveness of Internet campaigning, one would have said the exact same about television the first years it was coming out, and radio as well.  People are on the internet all the time.  Case in point, NiM and I with the help of a few others have been able to get about 75 posts on this topic and currently about 1400 views since I posted it maybe a week ago and this is a small niche Internet community. (BTW thank you, NiM, you have helped me spread the cause). The 2008 Obama campaign utilized social media network points.  They managed to raise 2M dollars off of social networking alone... and are you ready for this?  Each donation made was less than 200.00 and he also mobilized thousands of people to campaign on their own... I mean how many people did you see holding his red white and blue artsy picture with the word Change on it?  Betty White was put on as a host for SNL, and why?  Because some guy started a facebook campaign and there was so much support for it they called her and asked her.  People LOVE controversy and people are pretty much hooked on the internet.  I can get on it through children's game consoles, Wii and Xbox and Nintendo DS.  I can get it on my Ipod and my smart phone.  My stepmom has an E-book, the purpose of which is reading... and she can get on the internet on it and not just to download Tina Fey'sBossypants.  This site is utilizing that... directly.  Every time you Tweet or like this video on facebook they donate .25 to a good cause... do you know how easy it is to drum up support that way? Katy Perry just recently released a music video online for T.G.I.F. it's been online for one week and it's already got 22.5 MILLION views.  If we go by that math, let's say it gets 10M posts/tweets... that's 2.5 million dollars raised simply by clicking a couple of buttons, not to mention the people who will see the video and actively donate to things.  Now, the only stop on that is they've limited the amount they'll donate only up to 250,000 but that's so easy to get accomplished  We live in a generation that exhonerates someone like Paris Hilton for saying "that's hot" do you really think fuck is going to make someone bat an eye?  Another fact is that this is an internet campaign, and while a majority of the population might be 30-70 the majority of internet users, especially social media users, are still typically younger and fairly more liberal.  When I was at gay pride I saw probably 100 people with these shirts on, and I was at a small pride and i wasn't looking for them.  This campaign doesn't have to be big to be effective, think how many kids go trick-or-treating with Unicef donation buckets, they aren't making much off their route but it's still something and it still helps. Want to know what else helps?  Being visible, showing your true colors whether other people like them or not.  Take myself for example, there are a couple of users on this site who straight up have a problem with me... there are plenty more in comparison that send me private messages saying how they agree with me... and even if there weren't you can't stop me from being me, you're hate won't change me it'll just make me stronger.  You really want to silence me?  I mean... REALLY?  I'll tell you how to do it, and it's so simple.  (Ignore me).  You can't go forward with something on your own, ignore me and report me to the powers that be if you think I'm doing something wrong... but this isn't proactive, you're promoting my message as much as you're sharing yours, and by using elevated nonsense you're peaking interest because people LOVE drama especially when it's at arm's length and they aren't actively involved.  So you know what?  I will wave my rainbow flag and walk downtown during a parade in underwear or a pink wig, and I will draw your attention.  And when people see me raising attention without hurting anyone and see you trying to do the same but with attacks and awful, they'll be more likely to support me because no one likes hate. And just like FCKH8.com if you don't like what I have to say (I'm going to say it anyway) and because I haven't lost my cool and I haven't done anything negative like calling people queers or faggots I'll probably be received better... OH and a side point, NiM, black people using the word nigger is just as offensive and wrong as someone who isn't black using it and is just as disempowering.  However, you have every right to use it, got to love freedom of speech, but if you want to talk about something that's going to push a movement back let's talk about using terms coined from derogatory places, how does referring to someone as "odd or unnormal" (queer) or "a bundle of sticks used for kindling when burning witches at the stake" (faggot) help move someone forward in anyway?  All I see it doing is perpetuating fucked up hate (Oh SNAP, i just used a big word and promoted the sites message) and that doesn't seem helpful at all. So another shameless plug made possible by a negative response to this campaign, check out FCKH8.com to help support gay rights and look good doing it ^_^

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  NtheBuff

  Jun 19, 2011

  While I know several of you do not like the program and the way it is going about spreading its word I did think it was worth noting that the guy behind the website and the video has done several other things that are worth mentioning.
  His name is Luke Montgomery, he is a non-profit media campaigner.  Some of his credits include being the founder of WECANBUILDANDORPHANGE.COM helping children with AIDs, the webdesigner for CAUSECOMANDOS.COM Hayti Earthquake Reliefe, Creator of NODISPOSABLEPETS.COM, Founder of ADOPT-A-PET.COM and others.  He has been named in Advocates 40 under 40, been featured on 'THE VIEW", "THE DAILY SHOW", on with LENO, Letterman, Walters, and plenty more including Stern.  He has been profiles in USAToday and on the front page of other major outlets.
  I just wanted everyone to know that the guy that is responsible for this video and program is not just another flake - the guy is doing real work for great causes.  So it does add a much greater level of crediblity to what he is doing and promoting.

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  NtheBuff

  Jun 19, 2011

  [quote][quote]Why don't you tone down your pompous, patronising posts or GTFO out of this site?  Seriously, you are one of the most arrogant and conceited people I've ever encountered on a forum.[/quote]   It was inevitable that a consummate ass like you would drag the thread back into the sewer. Jeez. How about confining yourself to rec.nude and leaving the serious stuff to the grownups?[/quote] NIM - There is no way to ever have a open discussion when you refuse to even remotely act as though you are open to understand someone elses view on a situation - not accepting but acknowledging that they have  valid view.  So I guess with that said I tell you good day, and goodbye - it would have been nice to have an open conversation with you thart did not attempt to make me feel stupid(which neither you or anyone in here can make me feel) but it is not going to happen because instead of talking you come off as mean.  I honestly doubt that is what you planned, or at least i hope you didn't, but I am afraid that is how it is viewed and not only by me.  I opened up and told you I respected your thoughts but it is obvious you will not engage in something equally as polite.

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  Somerserttom

  Jun 20, 2011

  NiMA said: 'When what someone else does in public reflects negatively on me, even though I have no part in it, then is that person doing what is best for the community or just for himself'?Nothing anyone else says in public could reflect more negatively/badly on you than what you yourself do NiMA, for that you really can't be beat!

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  renebbare

  Jun 20, 2011

  Great comment Tom - Fan the flames why don't you?

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 20, 2011

  [quote][quote][quote]Why don't you tone down your pompous, patronising posts or GTFO out of this site?  Seriously, you are one of the most arrogant and conceited people I've ever encountered on a forum.[/quote]    It was inevitable that a consummate ass like you would drag the thread back into the sewer. Jeez. How about confining yourself to rec.nude and leaving the serious stuff to the grownups?[/quote] NIM - There is no way to ever have a open discussion when you refuse to even remotely act as though you are open to understand someone elses view on a situation - not accepting but acknowledging that they have  valid view.  So I guess with that said I tell you good day, and goodbye - it would have been nice to have an open conversation with you thart did not attempt to make me feel stupid(which neither you or anyone in here can make me feel) but it is not going to happen because instead of talking you come off as mean.  I honestly doubt that is what you planned, or at least i hope you didn't, but I am afraid that is how it is viewed and not only by me.  I opened up and told you I respected your thoughts but it is obvious you will not engage in something equally as polite.[/quote] After a certain point you have to let someone make an ass of himself... he won't follow any of his own rules on how to treat someone, so you can't expect him to be rational.  Bright side?  He's one angry jaded individual... and he makes the message I promote here stronger... so I say let him go.

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote]Little boy, ask yourself who has been on your side since you posted the "adorable children saying fuck (is) just... funny and cute" BS. It hasn't been the majority of TN regulars or even the adult, experienced gays. It has been a psychotic Brit troll, a guy who "thinks" that his "rights" on a beach allow him to drive others away, and a three-day-old n00bie. You've won nothing. You've succeded only in engraving in stone your rep as a self-absorbed, inexperienced kid with delusions of being a grownup. Live in your dream-world fantasy that you have bested old NIM, but be nice to your few "friends". I say to you, "Fuck you very much!" No one can argue against that, since you have made clear that you believe that gays all talk that way, and I wouldn't want to be the exception, right, boy?[/quote]   Actually... the amount of supporters vocalizing their support on my side has been far greater than the people on your side of this fun little debate, I see three people you've accredited saying something... I believe maybe two for you... and the private messages I have gotten because most don't really care to deal with your bullshit have given me quite a bit of "attaboy" support.  However, you're right, I fully accept your and everyone's right to say "fuck you".  Of course... they're saying "fuck you if you hate us we'll still march forward anyway" and you seem to be saying "fuck you because i hate you" so... the message is different, but you have every right to say it.  I guess I don't see how I need to best you anyway... it's more the principle of letting someone kill a thread with their fucked up hate ESPECIALLY when that thread goes directly against that, but I mean hey if you want to perpetuate fear and agree with those who persecute us for no real reason by suggesting that people in pink wigs are somehow abhorrant to society... that's you're right, but you're still wrong, and no matter how you say it you're in a quickly shrinking group of people and even if you weren't hating someone for the clothes they wear (just like anti-nudist hate for the clothes you don't wear) is wrong. Another thought though, if you really don't give a fuck what people think you wouldn't spend so much time sitting here bitching.  The people on this site are saying "fuck you" to hate but not to the people.  They still actively care about gay rights that's why they're donating up to 250,000.00 to the Tennessee Equality Group or whatever it's called and it's why they donate to the Trevor Project and stand up and talk about the things that they do.  Clearly, it actively bothers you that people who live their lives openly with freedom of expression exists because it offends your set sense of propriety where we only do the things that no one is offended by, assuming they're white anglo-saxon protestant males or of some subgroup that has already won a lot of the fight for equal rights.  If it didn't... you wouldn't be talking.

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote][quote][quote][/quote]Slightly amended. The fellow might be an ass (ask the man thathe drove off of a beachbecause he wanted to use the spot where the guy was sunning for making porn pics), but he's not consummate. No one is perfect.[/quote] Fuck off! I was NOT making any porn pics whatsoever.  I took some nude photos with the intention of submitting them to The Australian Naturist magazine. How dare you go making false statements about me on here!  You're not a Christian, you're a fucking arsehole.[/quote] Just don't feed him, the best thing you can do is ignore him unless it helps make your point.  For example, you know what group is trying to help stamp out such assholery?  FCKH8.com a great site with a great message and mission, everyone should check it out.  I mean if you think that hate like that is fucked up, visit this site, donate to the cause, buy the tshirts or just donate.  That's the mission of the message anyway, ignoring the hate living life anyway and spreading a positive message of gay acceptance no matter who you are or what you look like.  And don't get too mad at him... thanks to him this has seen nearly 1800 views on this little bitty site and this topic is staying current on the forum boards, he's helping promote the cause ^_^ bless his soul (I should send him a tshirt).  Kill them with kindness, and when they get in your face FCK H8 by daring to live your life anyway and continuing to make a difference.

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  Somerserttom

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote][quote]So do you two get together for 69 often? The clueless kid and the porn maker. Speaking of the Odd Couple...[/quote]   OK, do you want your profile to be flagged and reported to the mods?  Because your coming very close to it with your libellous comments. [/quote] Already done and that is what every right minded person on her should do about this sort of behaviour, whoever it is that is doing it.  If enough people do that rather than feed his vitriol then maybe something can be done to clean up the postings of this nasty man and his sidekick Nakedspark, two old '69ers' together excavating their old mine.  It really is pathatic behaviour from two seniors who really (senile dementia aside) ought to know better.

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  Somerserttom

  Jun 21, 2011

  NiMA, Don't worry it was to 'The Man'.  butIwouldn't presume to speak for him. I don't think you are a bad person or even that an hour sat chatting to you in person on your porch would not be an enjoyable hour well spent.  Its just all this aggression and name calling that gets in the way of things, stops people from seeing the nice guy that you quite possibly are.  Its not you the human being that is the problem, its the way you communicate and some of the words you use that is the problem.  I don't want you to change your views or the way you choose to live, I just want less of the ill grace and bad language from you.  I just want you to chill out a bit and do a bit more of the 'live & let live' stuff.  Truly life is too short and too brutal to add any more to the world.  You know what Gandi said about 'an eye for an eye' and he was a smarter man than either of us, agreed?  Lets just call it a day on all the spitefulness, please.

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  JackNeilson

  Jun 21, 2011

  CAN WE PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE?It is just an endless cycle of flaming and repetition.

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  renebbare

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote]CAN WE PLEASE LET THIS THREAD DIE?It is just an endless cycle of flaming and repetition.[/quote]  Hear Hear!!

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  Somerserttom

  Jun 21, 2011

  Nudistspark, there are not people on here who are 'hell bent on destroying' the site.  Its the ill grace and provocative language that is going to destroy this site like it did for skinbook.  I know that it can get frustrating somtimes and we can all sometimes say things we would probably be better off not to have said, I know I have, but its the behaviour that is getting out of hand.  My mum used to say that 2 wrongs don't make a right and she was correct in that.  I thank you for this more measured response from you than some but even this one had some unneccesary perjoratives.  Its not NiMA himself that is the problem, when he is being reasonable and better mannered he has a great deal to offer, its his bad behaviour that is not welcome and I doubt that you will find many to disagree with me on that.  This is after all a site for adults and playground name calling is not very adult, is it! Thank you for your post. Tom, from Taunton as a gift to Nim which I hope he will decline.

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  renebbare

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote] there are not people on here who are 'hell bent on destroying' the site.  Its the ill grace and provocative language that is going to destroy this site like it did for skinbook.[/quote] Was that what happened to Skinbook? Nothing to do with the 'non' nudist photos that Ning would not host? The photos that broke the TOS as they do here? I would beg to differ there are many here who would see the site moving far to the left of nudist ideals and it is these people you should be speaking out against before Truenudists also sinks under the weight of sexual freedom!

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 21, 2011

  So... back to what this thread was about.  Stamping out hate and what not.  Check out FCKH8.com and remember that we can all do something to fight against people who attack on things that harm no one and can even help.

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  Member

  Jun 21, 2011

  Wow! Thats all I can say. Why does everything on this site have to turn into a war? You people are like 13 year olds on youtube. If you don't like the site or the cause move on because preaching or debating your veiws to people that disagree isn't going to change theirs. Why do people argue so much on this site like "NudeinMA", WE GET IT YOU HAVE A LOT OF LIFE EXPERIENCE AND YOU'RE SO MUCH SMARTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE!!! What you don't have is the maturity to let things go and let others speak their minds. Debate is one thing going on for pages and pages on an internet forum is just plain childish.

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  MichaelOriginal Poster

  Jun 21, 2011

  [quote]Sweet dreams, kid. Reality is a bitch, and the reality is that anyone here who would go there already has, and most likely left without spending a penny. Continuing to spam for it won't make the slightest difference, but if you like your world of illusion, enjoy it. BTW, kid, the "views" for this thread can easily be explained as the same human curiosity factor that causes folks to slow down for traffic accidents to look for blood and body parts.[/quote]   Well then thank you for turning this into a fiasco you helped spread the message of acceptance and further promote those images you profess to hate so much ^_^ why it's safe to say without you far less people would even know what this is, bravoAnd for those still wondering, it's FCKH8.com an internet site dedicated to helping stamp out gay hate.  They benefit gay charities and political movements by donating part of their proceeds to positive gay movements all over the US including the Trevor Project and most recently the group that's taken the lead on combatting the current anti-gay legislation they are attempting to pass in Tennessee where it's illegal for teachers to even mention homosexuality in schools.

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  Jun 21, 2011

  Thank you NudeinMA for taking the time to criticize every one of my points. Look sir I know there is a certain level of hypocracy in my agruement of letting others speak their mind. You are free to speak your mind and debate as am I, but you go after people for their opinion and make it personal constantly (this is isn't the first time I've seen you do it). People are really tired of you on this site, your arrogant and rude. We all understand you've seen some things in your day and you're here to tell all us young wipper-snappers wrong, but please try to get over yourself it isn't an acompishment to be old it happens to everyone. Unfortunatly the younth's opinion is much more relevant than a senile geek old man's calling people n00bs (and you call me imature for using all caps). As you pointed out maturity is mental age not physical age. Anyway before I stupe to your level.. Fairwell, unlike you I've got better things to do than agrue with people on a nudisit forum.

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