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DesertRatOriginal Poster
Jan 25, 2012When the United States Supreme Court issued their ruling on abortion, I took rather a neutral stance. I was basically opposed to it but it was not really something that affected me personally. I felt that being opposed to abortion did not give me the right to interfere with a woman and her doctor. I felt that I had no real standing in the issue. Upon studying the Court's decision I could see the wisdom of their ruling. Basically the Court said that a woman has a right to do what she wants with her own body, and that sounds like good advice. In the years since, my opposition to abortion rested mainly in the method of paying for it. A woman could get herself pregnant, but she should not expect anyone else, other than the sperm donor, to foot the bill for the abortion. Of late, this has been the rallying cry; abortion on demand and the government to pay for it. I was totally opposed to this.
Today, I feel it is now time for the Supreme Court to revisit their decision in Roe v Wade because things have changed. A woman still has a right to do with her body as she chooses, but there is an issue that the Court did not consider in its previous decision. The issue that must be considered, that was over looked in the original ruling, is the right of the fetus to life. Does the right of a fetus to life take precedence over a woman's right to choose? In my opinion, the answer is yes!
I believe that a human fetus has a Constitutionally protected right to life. I also believe if the Court revisits this question and takes into account the rights of a fetus, they will over turn Roe V Wade. In cases of rape or incest, the fetus in this case is no less human that the fetus produced by a couple in a loving relationship. Therefore, rape and/or incest are not valid exceptions.
In my opinion abortion is wrong in that it takes the life of an innocent individual. Therefore it should be outlawed.
Today, I feel it is now time for the Supreme Court to revisit their decision in Roe v Wade because things have changed. A woman still has a right to do with her body as she chooses, but there is an issue that the Court did not consider in its previous decision. The issue that must be considered, that was over looked in the original ruling, is the right of the fetus to life. Does the right of a fetus to life take precedence over a woman's right to choose? In my opinion, the answer is yes!
I believe that a human fetus has a Constitutionally protected right to life. I also believe if the Court revisits this question and takes into account the rights of a fetus, they will over turn Roe V Wade. In cases of rape or incest, the fetus in this case is no less human that the fetus produced by a couple in a loving relationship. Therefore, rape and/or incest are not valid exceptions.
In my opinion abortion is wrong in that it takes the life of an innocent individual. Therefore it should be outlawed.
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- DEDesertRatOriginal PosterJan 25, 2012[quote]
Tch tch tch! DR, my good man, doncha know that you're speaking naughtily about the most holy sacrament in the Church of What's Happening now?
[/quote]I don't remember mentioning religion. LOLReactReply - MEMemberJan 26, 2012
Wrong. I was born 9-26 . . . my parents were married (shot gun variety) on 7-26. It was considered. I'll never think it's right. For subjective reasons of course ;-)
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Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 26, 2012[quote]This has ABSOLUTELY no place on this website, and I will be asking TT to delete the thread.[/quote]Don't bother. The usual SIPA's will spout off for a while.
We will all get bored with them and it will die off on its own.ReactReply - DEDesertRatOriginal PosterJan 26, 2012[quote]
The illogic would be reduced greatly in threads if certain obnoxious individuals would avoid them.
[/quote]Bravo!ReactReply - DEDesertRatOriginal PosterJan 26, 2012
Many people have contributed to this thread, both pro and con. I congratulate those who presented their views in a logical and civil manner. It is refreshing to discuss real issues with people who, while disagreeing are not being disagreeable. I wish a lot of people in politics and the news media would do the same. To those thoughtful, civil individuals, I say thank you. To the few others -not worth commenting on.
ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 26, 2012OK! We men who will never get pregnant solved that problem.
I am bored.ReactReply - MA
ManOfWicklowJan 27, 2012[quote]OK! We men who will never get pregnant solved that problem.
I am bored.[/quote]Keeping cheeks tightly closed and not bending down in the wrong place, helps to prevent one from being bored. he,he, !!ReactReply - GE
Gerry-4Jan 27, 2012When abortions aren't required for medical reasons, the only reason they occur is because an unwanted pregnancy occurred. This is usually due to misinformation or faulty contraceptives, although I'm sure other reasons may exist. Maybe it's time the focus shifted from abortion to preventing unwanted pregnancies.
How many people today still believe that if it's a woman's first time having sex, she can't get pregnant?
How many people today still think that if sex occurs during menstruation, the woman can't get pregnant?
How many people today still think that there can't be any spermatazoa inside the woman if the man pulls out before ejaculating?
How many young and inexperienced women believe that if she says yes to sex, the man will propose to her the next day?
For that matter, how many people believe they will still make responsible decisions regarding sex if they have a little too much to drink?
I could go on...ReactReply - IN
intuneJan 27, 2012its really up 2 the persons involed and should not b in a court room
ReactReply - DEDesertRatOriginal PosterJan 27, 2012[quote]
US Military insurance pays for abortion only to save the life of the mother (the position of the Catholic church, btw). [/quote]This, my friend, is NOT the position of the Catholic Church. In the Diocese of Phoenix, a nun, who was the administrator of a Catholic hospital, was excommunicated because she allowed this very thing to happen.ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 27, 2012[quote][quote][quote]This has ABSOLUTELY no place on this website, and I will be asking TT to delete the thread.[/quote]Don't bother. The usual SIPA's will spout off for a while.
We will all get bored with them and it will die off on its own.
[/quote]Maybe I'm just not awake yet, but....what is the acronym intended to mean?(there are a number of possibilities)
By the way-boredom and death is the ultimate fate of every thread. Thankfully.
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SIPA = Self Important Pompous AssReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 27, 2012If abortion is wrong why did man invent erasers?
~S.B. TslohasilReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 27, 2012[quote][quote]There is a difference between wrong and illegal.[/quote]
Very true. It was wrong to murder 6 million Jews, but it was not illegal in Germany.
[/quote]Godwin's law-you lose!ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 28, 2012[quote][quote]SIPA = Self Important Pompous Ass[/quote]
Definition: anyone with whom the senile old fart does not agree.
[/quote]He who frequently speaks the words "old fart" obviously likes the taste.
~S.B. TslohasilReactReply - ST
SteveJan 28, 2012This thread, per the OP, was started in response to the "This Forum is Lame" thread, as an attempt to have a discussion about ideas that matter. No poster has been "narrowminded" - and even if a poster has deserved some epithet or other,ad hominemcomments - about the poster and not about the ideas posted, are helpful in a brawl, but not a discussion. Nor are arguments against straw men - against ideas which have not been expressed. In your hearts-of-hearts, y'all know these rules, even if the most entertaining of the talk shows violate them routinely. That's entertainment, a shoot-em-up such as one would not conduct in one's living room.
Should this thread not be on True Nudists? Depends. If we're all here to exchange light banter and query each other about how and where to get nude, then no. If we're here to understand one another and look for friends in the nudist community, then serious discussions are helpful. But that really only works if we play nice.ReactReply - KR
kramtrohsJan 29, 2012I suppose it depends on the woman & her circumstances!
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nudonyJan 29, 2012Dang. In that case, I must be comitting genocide every time I masturbate! Thanks for letting me know I've been a genocidal maniac for almost thirty years now! How can I live with myself knowing this? I guess I'll just have to go commit suicide so that no more lives are lost...
ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 30, 2012Contraceptives should be used on every conceivable occasion.ReactReply
- MAManOfWicklowJan 30, 2012[quote]Contraceptives should be used on every conceivable occasion.[/quote]Try telling that to the dumb blonde, choking with a dozen rubbers stuck in the back of her throat. he,he.ReactReply
- T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 30, 2012[quote][quote][quote]SIPA = Self Important Pompous Ass[/quote]
Definition: anyone with whom the senile old fart does not agree.
[/quote]He who frequently speaks the words "old fart" obviously likes the taste.
~S.B. Tslohasil
[/quote]Aww, come on NIMA, don't just delete your posts and go into hiding when your wrong.ReactReply - T=Tom === Thomas S. TierneyJan 30, 2012LOL!
WOW! Did my wife teach you that?
That was part of our marriage vows. Her part!ReactReply - MAManOfWicklowJan 31, 2012
It's all about morally right or wrong. Morality should precede legality.
ReactReply - MAManOfWicklowAug 29, 2012
You must have done, Zak, the last post was 8 months ago.
ReactReply - MEMemberAug 29, 2012[quote]You must have done, Zak, the last post was 8 months ago.[/quote]Actually, I believe it is possible to bump a thread by replying to it and then deleting your comment, causing it to show up in the recent posts list. It's an annoying "feature", but I think that Zak is probably off the hook.
By the way, I didn't bump it, and am not particularly interested in debating the topic here.ReactReply