Just curious...

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  sunnmaxx

  Apr 20, 2016

  The controversy comes up with existing facilities where there are two restrooms and no room or money to install a third. So owners want to protect against liability of an assault happing in a restroom if a male dressed as a female uses the womens restroom.
  

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 20, 2016

  I know this sounds obvious, but criminals do not pay any attention to the law.  If they intend to assault someone, it doesn't matter what it says on a restroom door.    So, unless the stalls are open -- have no doors -- it's just like a men's room with the urinals, isn't it?   I have no desire to offend someone, but it's really just two different rooms for the same purpose, isn't it... And men's rooms are clearly not private in parts of them, so it would seem that men would have a bigger issue with sharing a room, as they are currently designed, than women would.  ... Other than privacy issues, am I missing something?
  
  If you want to change the way society thinks... start with something small ... then make greater demands later.  ... That sounds like the definition of ... conditioning.   The question is, what is the ultimate goal of that conditioning?
  
  
  
  
  

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  DesertRat

  Apr 20, 2016

  This is a problem that is mostly confined to the United States. In many parts of the developed world, joint restrooms are common and often the only choice. I know of a lady who, while washing her hands after using the facility, had a man walk up and use the urinal which was right next to the sink she was using. There was no divider between the sink and the urinal. She was shocked but the man seemed to take it as normal. This is why nudism is mostly condemned in the United States. Too many people are shocked by it.

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 20, 2016

  Sometimes I forget that this is an international blog... Iwasreferring to the U.S. for that specific case , but also, the way some minorities try to bully everyone else --anywhereelse -- into accepting the the viewpoint of that particular minority.   ... so, my real point was...  the restroom controversy is aboutmore thanjust who uses which room.
  
  
  

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Apr 20, 2016

  [quote]This is a problem that is mostly confined to the United States. In many parts of the developed world, joint restrooms are common and often the only choice. I know of a lady who, while washing her hands after using the facility, had a man walk up and use the urinal which was right next to the sink she was using. There was no divider between the sink and the urinal. She was shocked but the man seemed to take it as normal. This is why nudism is mostly condemned in the United States. Too many people are shocked by it.[/quote]yawanna bet he was just waiting for a woman to use that sink?
  

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 21, 2016

  [quote]... There was no divider between the sink and the urinal. She was shocked but the man seemed to take it as normal. This is why nudism is mostly condemned in the United States. Too many people are shocked by it.[/quote]So, let me see if I understand this correctly... Nudism in the U.S. is condemned because a building contractor in Europe does not put divider walls where they belong... Is that the consensus?  8-/   ;-)   ... Just kidding... I know what you meant.  ... but, IMHO, it is just a conditioned response... started from an early age.

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  noodengr2

  Apr 21, 2016

  Here is my 2 cents as an American with mainly libertarian views that have been shaped by an engineering mind.
  As for restrooms themselves.  Ones with a single toilet have a lock on the door and is one person at a time.  So a  non issueMany small places of business including restaurants have a single toilet.
  As for restroom with multiple stalls I cannot see much of an issue.  Each stall has a door so there is privacy when male or female drops their drawers to do number 2
  As for men standing at urinals , you would be hard pressed to find someone who has not seen a movie or tv show that has 2 men standing side by side taking a piss?   So what if a woman sees a guy from behind while walking to a stall?   I have many a time in my travels taken a leak at a urinal while a female attendant has mopped the floor.  No big deal to me.
  The unresolved part is locker rooms.   I can see why non enlightened about nudism folks might be uncomfortable with changing clothes in a mixed setting.   This is mainly an issue at schools so you do have the under age issue.

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 21, 2016

  [quote] [quote]yawanna bet he was just waiting for a woman to use that sink?[/quote] [/quote]
  What will that woman be thinking, the next time she washes her hands?  ...  maybe she should have accidentally splashed him ;-)
  
  
  

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  DesertRat

  Apr 21, 2016

  Simple Life: I believe your concept of what a bully is and does is off the mark. Bullies do not seek to educate people nor do the go through the long drawn effort of going through the legislative process to change public opinion.

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 21, 2016

  Thanks for that comment DesertRat.
  
  Simple-Life: If you will look closely at what I actually said above, you will see I said onlysome peopleinsmallminorities are bullies. But the term could also apply to certain other, larger minority groups... which shall remain nameless, here... They often demand that everyone else agree with their personal agenda... and some just agree, rather than fight ... Some small businesses have even beenforced out of business, because they could not afford to fight...  At no time did I suggest that any nudists were bullies or making unreasonable demands.  ...  I tried to be specific.Please do not assume things which I didnotsay.
  
  

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 21, 2016

  I'm sorry you have chosen to miss my point, S-L ... and I'm pretty sure I don't understand your's

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Apr 21, 2016

  Thank you for your comments...       update, 3 days later: I guess S-L decided to retract his comments ... because they have disappeared.  ... He also changed his user name and profile info.  ...   Good luck ... Let's move on ...
  
  
  
  
  
  

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  KohaanOriginal Poster

  Jul 26, 2016

  New question...
  Do real nudists drive convertible cars... with the top down...  the top of the car... and the topandbottom of their clothes?8-)
  
  

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  Roy Stephens

  Jul 27, 2016

  I have a miata convertible n yes I drive nude with the top down sometimes but only on back roads not 4 lanes :-)...I have driven on 4 lanes nude with the top up and I will say...from now on I'll watch about passing big trucks because they will call the cops....just sayn

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