Security Cameras at nude venues — General Discussion on True Nudists

rusty62Original Poster

Nov 23, 2011

I posted on this before regarding installation of my own security system. Now the question come up at our traveling club. The hotel in North Battleford Saskachewan that agreed to host our nude swims has the pool area under security surveillance. They informed the members doing the inquiry that they will not be turned off but here will be no problem with privacy - needless to say after an email vote the idea did not happen. Knowing what sort of probable creepos I have seen managing and desk clerking at hotels I vote no. For starters the monitoring displays are in view of nearly everyone.

ReactReplySubscribe

Replies

MA
ManOfWicklow
Nov 23, 2011
I do not see why it should be a problem. What you are saying is, it's ok to be seen nude by other nudists, but not by textiles. Why do the cameras bother you so much.
ReactReply
PV
Paul Vogler
Nov 23, 2011
This is the kind of thing I always wonder about with nudists. So many are so afraid that someone will see them! Guess what? If you go outdoors naked, someone WILL see you. I have seen a lot of pics taken with tiny spy cameras, or cameras with huge telescopic lenses of people at nude beaches and resorts. Stop thinking that people are out to get you and enjoy being naked! And if people see you naked, good! You will be an ambassador for nudism!
ReactReply
ME
Member
Nov 23, 2011
I agree, in this electronic age, when every kid has a phone with a camera, it is impossible to be isolated from surveilance. An orbiting satellite can relay photos with enough resolution to see fine detail, and they are hundreds of kilometers in altitude!Go enjoy your nude swims, and the gathering of like minded folks. You have no control over the reactions of hotel clerks or management. You need to trust that nothing untoward will occur.
ReactReply
RU
rusty62Original Poster
Nov 23, 2011
Initially in the discussion with the club as a guy I could live with the hotels insistence on maintaining their security and not covering or turning off the cameras. I walk around my own farm yard and do not really concern myself with who sees me.

But - I invite a group including women and children to my farm or other venue. Do I then have a responsibility to protect these people at the venue I am hosting from one - a chance of prosecution because I allowed a visible display to the public, two - one of the local perbs either in a position of trust or not saving and posting pics.

After listening to my wife on others, reviewing this subject I would not support our nude swims at this location - need less to say we do another winter without nude swims.
ReactReply
BB
Bill Bowser
Nov 23, 2011
If a property owner believes there is a need for security cameras on his property then whether or not people there are wearing clothes is irrelevant. That any nudists would be bothered by the presence of security cameras is something I have never been able to understand. If people happen to see or photograph me while I'm nude it has absolutely no effect on me. And what those people who see or photograph me might be wearing is also irrelevant. Why do so many people who claim to be nudists believe it is okay to be seen by other nudists, but not by people who are wearing clothes?
ReactReply
ST
Steve
Nov 23, 2011
The hotel staff will be in evidence during the event, right? And will off and on see the guests, in whatever state of undress. What's the difference, if some of that staff is working at their security posts, and viewing through a wire, rather than working near the pool, and viewing direct? In either case, they're just doing their jobs. And in either case, if they want to snag a photo, they can, and will be violating a rule if they do. The same thing is true at every beach, and at every resort.
ReactReply
RU
rusty62Original Poster
Nov 24, 2011
I see not many women add to these discussions. Maybe not many who's other life outside nudism requires privacy such as school teachers. Public ignorance is something that will never be cured and a school teacher has to have the acceptance of ignorant parents to teach the children. We don't want to think for a moment that we can flaunt out skin and never be questioned - in public service it will be "used".
ReactReply
BB
Bill Bowser
Nov 24, 2011
Such discriminatory firings like this are probably so rare that they are almost non-existant. Although there are many nudists who express the fear that if they are discovered to be nudists their lives will be ruined, but when I've asked for examples of this on other nudist forums there has been only one person who claimed to know someone who had some sort of bad experience because their nudist lifestyle was discovered. This is not something which we should be worrying about. It is really not a problem. Roper polls commissioned by the Naturist Education Foundation indicate the vast majority (79% in the 2009 poll) of people in the USA find nude recreation acceptable. This fear of being exposed (no pun intended) is akin to being afraid of our own shadows. Isn't it time to come out of the closet?
ReactReply
GE
George_in_WV
Nov 25, 2011
Many of the health clubs we used for private parties had security cameras. In some places the monitor was visible to people walking by on the street and in some they were only visible to the person running the desk. We would always cover up the monitors that were visible to the public and often just hung a towel or something over the camera.
ReactReply
RU
rusty62Original Poster
Nov 25, 2011
[quote]I should add that if you WILL lose your job because of this, you need to hire a good lawyer. Participating in a non-illegal activity is NOT grounds for firing. Ever.
[/quote]Frankly I have never heard of anyone losing their job directly because of their private life either. They just lose their job because one or more persons in connection had the power to make completing the assigned tasks somewhat challenging. Since being a nudist at a social level I have heard this story a number of times, especially involving women and and people in public positions. As club member and at times a host, anonymity is utmost importance :-)

ReactReply
MA
ManOfWicklow
Nov 25, 2011
[quote]Such discriminatory firings like this are probably so rare that they are almost non-existant. Although there are many nudists who express the fear that if they are discovered to be nudists their lives will be ruined, but when I've asked for examples of this on other nudist forums there has been only one person who claimed to know someone who had some sort of bad experience because their nudist lifestyle was discovered. This is not something which we should be worrying about. It is really not a problem. Roper polls commissioned by the Naturist Education Foundation indicate the vast majority (79% in the 2009 poll) of people in the USA find nude recreation acceptable. This fear of being exposed (no pun intended) is akin to being afraid of our own shadows. Isn't it time to come out of the closet?
[/quote]

Very true, Bill, people do tend to worry far too much about their nudist life being discovered. They need to relax a little more and not be affraid of letting others know just how natural, nudity is.

17
ReactReply
MA
ManOfWicklow
Aug 19, 2012
[img src="http://i2.asntown.net/ha/DesignandArt/joblover/t387088.jpg">
ReactReply
SU
sunnmaxx
Aug 20, 2012
I would have suggested to cover up the camera in the pool area.

Also, regarding the firing issue, I know a couple who worked at the same place and they were both fired because they found out about their nudist activity and since they worked with kids they found it unacceptable.

ReactReply
DE
DesertRat
Aug 20, 2012
One of the main reasons public venues have security cameras is for their own protection. People constantly make false injury claims. The use of security cameras can usually disprove these claims. I don't know this to be a fact, but I would suspect that these cameras are a requirement of the insurance carrier. By turning off these cameras the owner might be voiding his insurance coverage. The monitors could be covered or turned off but the video recorders will not be. A swimming pool inherently carries its own set of liabilities so there is added incentive to record all of the activities. Unfortunately, this is the world we live in today.
ReactReply
SO
Soupie
Aug 22, 2012
I think Desert Rat made the best point. It is a liability issue. If someone hit their head, slipped, or were to drown, the lawyers would have a field day.
ReactReply
MA
ManOfWicklow
Jan 27, 2013
Nudists in the 1940's were not frightened of cameras.

[img src="http://www.internaturally.com/members/uploads/photos/2083.jpg">
ReactReply
OV
overexposed
Jan 27, 2013
I say enjoy youre time there and dont worry about security cams.. anyone watching on video is probably jelouse they cant join you.. there are a lot more nudist's out there than we think.. :)

Oh no.. another two year old post..

ReactReply
BO
Bob
Jan 27, 2013
Old threads coming back to life because someone searched before opening a new one on the same subject.
Bob
ReactReply
ME
Member
Feb 2, 2013
[quote]Nudists in the 1940's were not frightened of cameras.

[img src="http://www.internaturally.com/members/uploads/photos/2083.jpg">[/quote]Nice hat!
:)
Seriously, I love this picture!
ReactReply
MA
ManOfWicklow
Feb 2, 2013
[quote]

[quote]Nudists in the 1940's were not frightened of cameras.

Seriously, I love this picture![/quote]

Yes it is a lovely shot, so natural looking.

[img src="http://www.internaturally.com/members/uploads/photos/2083.jpg">
ReactReply
CD
Cheri Donna Dawson
Feb 2, 2013
You could have provided the establishment wanting to keep security cameras going with a tape with the stipulation of retreiving it after the event. Have a lawyer prepare a document stating as much. How many people would be watching the security tape? Would it be possible for one of your members to stay in the area of the screens during the event?
ReactReply
SU
sunnmaxx
Feb 6, 2013
Insurance cannot be denied if the cameras are turned off, even if there is an agreement. I would think covering the camera in the pool area could be done. The fear here is that an employee would take the tape and put it on the web and people would be discovered. I see some peoples fears of this, since I work, I could be affected also. Just be glad you can find such places to hold these events.

ReactReply
MA
ManOfWicklow
Feb 6, 2013
[img src="http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/rma/lowres/rman9988l.jpg">
ReactReply