Just watched a BBC travelogue featuring Paddy McGuinness (Btritish tv personality) and his mate travelling in Sweeden.
They met up with a group of 6 or 7 Sweedish guys in a sauna. How embarrassing (for them) that both Paddy and his mate went into the sauna with their swim shorts on, while the Swedish guys were all naked, as it should be. Very disappointing that two men in their 50's don't have the body confidence to dress/undress appropriately in a sauna.
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StevieLornaSep 29, 2024Not seen this show but I think your assessment is wrong.
They are not two guys without the confidence to go nude in the sauna.
Paddy is a stand up comedian after all, with plenty of confidence.
They are two guys without the confidence to go nude in the sauna while on TV.
I dont blame them. Nude saunas isnt a spectator sport
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EarlDSep 29, 2024Thats hilarious leave it to Conan. [quote]You guys should really watch this LoL . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k70xBg8en-4[/quote]ReactReply - SA
Stone AndySep 29, 2024Before bathtubs, before showers there were saunas in Sweden and they were communal. It's considered unhygenic or oddly self-conscious to be anything but naked in cleaning one's self. A good sauna is close enough to boiling in temperature that electronics likely don't fare well. I imagine the Swedes found the whole thing amusing and anything but embarassing.
ReactReply - LAlanefourOriginal PosterSep 29, 2024
It was BBC prime time viewing, everything was edited to not show anything below belly button, or blurred out. There would be no chance whatsoever that his cock would be broadcast. Try and watch it.
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RickSep 30, 2024[quote]Just watched a BBC travelogue featuring Paddy McGuinness (Btritish tv personality) and his mate travelling in Sweeden. They met up with a group of 6 or 7 Sweedish guys in a sauna. How embarrassing (for them) that both Paddy and his mate went into the sauna with their swim shorts on, while the Swedish guys were all naked, as it should be. Very disappointing that two men in their 50's don't have the body confidence to dress/undress appropriately in a sauna.[/quote] Thank you for the laugh i enjoyed at your hypocrisy. You, who are uncertified, with no photos or other media, say others don't have "body confidence" to be nude in a sauna on tv. Give me a freakin' break!ReactReply - LAlanefourOriginal PosterSep 30, 2024
I send you a big hug.
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Reuben TitusOct 3, 2024I know all too well the feeling of being scared to be seen naked by anyone. As I was that way for a long time. A fear conditioned in from childhood by a clothed society which believed nude is lewd and immoral. I had to intentionally decide to change my feelings on it, and that was hard to do and took awhile. But those kind of mental things can be changed and I did manage to change it in myself quite a bit. So if a sauna is not nude prohibited and if others around are not going to misunderstand and condemn, I much prefer to wear nothing in a sauna.
ReactReply - MEMemberOct 3, 2024[quote]You guys should really watch this LoL . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k70xBg8en-4[/quote] Good funny video. It appears the Coco Team had selected an authentic, nice location for Jjimjilmbang in Koreatown, Los Angeles, for that video. The Location was the WI Spa in Korea Town, Los Angeles, California. Looks really good and fun and interesting. The video was a good share. Thank you.ReactReply
- MEMemberOct 6, 2024[quote]Just watched a BBC travelogue featuring Paddy McGuinness (Btritish tv personality) and his mate travelling in Sweeden......Very disappointing that two men in their 50's don't have the body confidence to dress/undress appropriately in a sauna.[/quote] It's a similar situation to Paul Hollywood's European tour when he meets with a German nudist group. There's certainly ways and means to keep their bits out of shot. After all Naked and Afraid achieves that easily enough. I put it down to media coverage of nudity is either ridicule or disgust. Rarely is there middle ground or normal acceptance of nudity. That's why I applaud Australia's Getaway TV show that many years ago covered an Australian location and host Catriona Rowntree went nude.ReactReply
- MEMemberOct 7, 2024
That's all a bit disappointing. Whatever happened to the theory of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" ? I tend to do what others do in Saunas in the places I have been. Here in Oz, Saunas used to be part of the male change rooms so nudity was normal, but that was a long time ago. Now it seems here in Oz spa's & saunas are in open areas, are unisex so people wear swimsuits.
In China when we travelled there 6 years ago, the saunas etc. were separate, I saw other guys naked so I went with the flow, it's stranger to not do what they are doing in my opinion.
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AnthonyOct 7, 2024I definitely think these kind of celebrity ventures into the world of nudism/naturism come over much better when the host shows respect for the environment (s)he is in and sheds their clothes. Plenty of ways to keep their 'bits' out of the picture if they wish (let's face it almost everything gets pixelated anyway!), but how can they stand in judgement over other people's lifestyles if they don't make some attempt to join in the spirit of the thing. Most who do seem to come away quite positively impressed, maybe even saying they'd do it again.
I remember a great scene from a recent documentary on the Duchess of Northumberland, where they followed a group of naturists taking part in the BN open evening at Alnwick Castle Gardens. The head gardener was scheduled to give a welcome talk about the development of the garden and decided it was only fair to do so naked. At the end, he confessed he was far more nervous and self-conscious about the talk than about being seen naked - and that he would definitely do it again.ReactReply - TD
Tom DOct 7, 2024Not exactly the same but similar. Someone on another board went to an all male college in the 60s. It had an intramural program run by upperclassmen. He was the swimming coordinator. There was a presentation session to encourage students to participate. Coordinators were encouraged to dress as you would for their activities. He and the gymnastics coordinator were nude for theirs.
ReactReply - STStevieLornaOct 7, 2024
Many poster on this thread seem to be conflating nudism and Swedish sauna culture.
Just because the Scandinavian cultural preference to use the sauna nude it does not automatically follow that they are all nudists.
A tv show about nudity in Swedish saunas is exactly that and should be viewed in that context. Just because some people are naked does not make it relevant in any way to nudism.
The nudist movement would be in a much healthier state if people understood the difference.
ReactReply - STStevieLornaOct 7, 2024
Many poster on this thread seem to be conflating nudism and Swedish sauna culture.
Just because the Scandinavian cultural preference to use the sauna nude it does not automatically follow that they are all nudists.
A tv show about nudity in Swedish saunas is exactly that and should be viewed in that context. Just because some people are naked does not make it relevant in any way to nudism.
The nudist movement would be in a much healthier state if people understood the difference.
ReactReply - TDTom DOct 7, 2024[quote]That's all a bit disappointing. Whatever happened to the theory of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" ? .[/quote] In Rome, you see very few men in shorts but I wore them anyway.ReactReply
- MEMemberOct 7, 2024[quote]Many poster on this thread seem to be conflating nudism and Swedish sauna culture. Just because the Scandinavian cultural preference to use the sauna nude it does not automatically follow that they are all nudists. A tv show about nudity in Swedish saunas is exactly that and should be viewed in that context. Just because some people are naked does not make it relevant in any way to nudism. The nudist movement would be in a much healthier state if people understood the difference.[/quote] Yes, I see that there are some people who do not see the difference between the "Baby nudism" and nudist philosophy or "Naturism." The "baby nudism" followers pretty much conflate the two, when really, it is not a lot of similarity other than the state of undress. For reference, I consider myself a Naturist philosophically and mentally, nudist as a part of it, and I try to do it whenever possible. I, however, also am a pragmatist when going about it mentally and philosophically and in practice.ReactReply
- EAEarlDOct 7, 2024Most people on here either dont or wont acknowledge a nudist or naturist philosophy. Nudism is just a state of dress for many people on here. There is no philosophy attached or associated. [quote] Yes, I see that there are some people who do not see the difference between the "Baby nudism" and nudist philosophy or "Naturism." The "baby nudism" followers pretty much conflate the two, when really, it is not a lot of similarity other than the state of undress. For reference, I consider myself a Naturist philosophically and mentally, nudist as a part of it, and I try to do it whenever possible. I, however, also am a pragmatist when going about it mentally and philosophically and in practice.[/quote]ReactReply
- MEMemberOct 8, 2024
Yes. Most people on here usually don't know as much about philosophical naturism. And I am alright with that right now since naturism is smaller demographically than much of the world's countries. If the number of people that learn about it eventually grow into the philosophy, there will likely be more naturists in the world.
Anyway, I have seen some more professional-appearing web pages over the years online about naturism the philosophy and practice.
I need to get some good books about old naturist philosophy, but I know they exist since Wikipedia has had the articles listing real bibliography of European and American naturists from the 1890s in Europe to the 1960s and 1970s or 1980s in America and Europe. I might do some personal hidden research on my own to research Lee Baxendall.
I don't know all the details but I have read on Wikipedia he founded an association with members in the Northeast and Wisconsin and other areas of the USA. His group was named by him and his co-founders as "The Naturist Society" in the United States in the 1980s. The Naturist Society still exists, but the group I hear still is the second largest group of "nudists and/or naturists" after AANR. According to Wikipedia, AANR is older and was founded in the Northeast. AANR was founded in the 1920s and Baxendall founded "The Naturist Society" in the 1980s decade.
I am probably going to buy some books from the original publishers/distributor's websites when possible. I will be looking at Wikipedia's various naturism internal pages at the end of the calendar year for the bibliographies, so that way I can find sources and published works behind the naturist philosophy.
In the past I have stumbled across a variety of sources about naturism. I have listened to a group of podcasts about the philosophy of naturism. I also discovered the existence of naturist associations earlier in my life when reading about them on their websites. I stumbled across a travel book earlier. I also found Lee Baxendall's bibliography through Wikipedia. He was an actual activist about the practice and philosophy from what I have read about him.
ReactReply - SAStone AndyOct 8, 2024
The point is well made not to conflate nudism with Swedish sauna culture. It's very true that the Scandinavian cultural preference to use the sauna nude does not automatically make them comfortable with nudism or naturism. Nudism is relatively uncommon in Sweden. Summers are short and offer limited (if any) time to be naked in nature. Swedes tend to be socially shy around people they don't know, having no qualms to be seen naked but avoiding having any unnecessary conversation with them. In addition, due to to the heavy moral hand that Lutheranism used to have on the culture, Swedes tend to dismiss rigid, doctrinaire and judging people claiming that only they can define what is "true" as cultish. It's natural for Swedes to take a distance to the hypocrisy of a movement which started in Germany in the late 1800s as part of "Life Reform" espousing exercise and vegetarianism as having little to do with "true nudism" today.
ReactReply - ANAnthonyOct 8, 2024
Whether people are simply naked in a sauna, or fully-signed-up naturists the point is surely still the same - if the culture in the place you are visiting is to be naked (be that for philosophical, societal or purely practical reasons), then surely the respectful thing to do if 'investigating' that lifestyle is to blend in with the accepted norm.
I understand from Swedish friends that anyone wearing trunks in the sauna would tend to be regarded with ridicule and/or suspicion. Certainly the couple of times I went to a public sauna in Sweden there was not one person being coy and staying covered up - and the same applied in the showers and changing room; swimming trunks only went on to go through to the main swimming pool, and came off again as soon as you returned to the changing room.There are plenty of people the world over who may choose to go naked on the beach or elsewhere, but who don't in any way subscribe to the classic naturist philosophy - they just prefer to be naked. How should we refer to them? 'Naturists', 'nudists' or something else entirely?
ReactReply - MEMemberOct 8, 2024[quote]Many poster on this thread seem to be conflating nudism and Swedish sauna culture. Just because the Scandinavian cultural preference to use the sauna nude it does not automatically follow that they are all nudists. A tv show about nudity in Swedish saunas is exactly that and should be viewed in that context. Just because some people are naked does not make it relevant in any way to nudism. The nudist movement would be in a much healthier state if people understood the difference.[/quote] I agree with you with what you wrote based on my own experience. The Japanese and Koreans also have their own sauna and they have been practicing this for hundred of years and I don't think that they are all nudist. As for my own experience, I was also very hesitant when I first step on the Onsen (Japanese Sauna) because I am not a nudist back then in 2018. My cousin husband (a Japanese man) brought me to my first Onsen experience and I voiced out to him my concern as I have not gone naked in front of anyone. He said that I will be fine and just follow his lead. SO went to the Onsen and we went to the dressing room and I followed his lead when he started undressing, so did I. we spent maybe 2 hours in the Onsen where everyone are naked. Funny is, one time I was Video chatting my cousin and her husband who brought me to the Onsen and got naked with me, just came out of the shower and was wearing an underwear and when my cousin told him that I am on the computer video chatting, he abruptly hid himself and I asked my cousin why and she said that he is embarrassed because he is half naked. I said, what do u mean embarrassed? We already saw each other naked in the Onsen and he said that is different. In the Onsen where nudity is expected, he said that when you go to the Onsen, everybody is the same. No rich, no poor, no good-looking, no ugly. Just to prove a point that not everybody that goes in the sauna are nudist like us.ReactReply
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KevOct 17, 2024I saw that and wondered why they bothered even showing it. I suppose that the segment might have upped the ratings by a few ("ooh, naked men) for the Beeb. The show is supposed to be about how our European neighbours deal with the aging process. (I think, or it might just be 2 middle aged guys on a jolly) Since social nudity is a part of the Swedish solution I think that they rather missed the point, even if "the rude, naughty bits" were pixcelated.
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