Given that a recent topic was deleted for no other purpose then to maintain the status quo of suppression of freedom of speech here, it is obviously best that those who was a mature and intelligent conversation head to other sites and abandon this site to the usual 'naked hugs, cyber kisses, and how is the weather' nonsense. It is obviously beyond the scope of this site to allow anything other then grade school topics. This is very sad indeed because it just proves the point that all here are considered incapable of having intelligent and mature conversations about anything of substance!
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- MEMemberFeb 27, 2022
Sadly, I must concur with your assessment though not quite with the same fervor. The fact that a very serious world affecting event is occurring and is being *closely controlled * is evidence of a lack of faith in both intellect and self control among participants. Many deleted posts were thought out and offered opinions on the context, content and methods of conveyance. No one was in lockstep and the variance and strength of points given were widespread. We cannot hope to move forward in knowledge and understanding of ideas & events without making civil exchanges. That is the reason the First Amendment was written. But there is a caveat here, the afore is for public endeavor while this is obviously a private one. Teamtrue1 is justified to be concerned about rude, malicious content as the internet has proven beyond any doubt. But please, wait until nastiness raises its ugly head before censoring content. And even then, you might want to save the baby from the bath water.
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Guzzi27Feb 27, 2022I would agree that it is wrong that the thread you refer to and which I had commented on was deleted.
What we share in common is an interest in naturism and spending our time naked. That shouldnt mean that discussion in forums and/or chat room is limited to naturist related topics. Just look at the various threads around sexual behaviour that keep going to realise how crazy deleting/banning conversations about a particular world event is.
We have naturism in common, if we want to discuss world situations with other naturists then where else would you do it.
If individual comments/posts become unacceptable then they should be removed. But not the whole thread.ReactReply - MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 27, 2022
We were not even talking about Ukraine! We were actually talking about meaningful topics in general that can be discussed here. Ukraine is just one topic. Sadly it appears that any topic that involves any thought will be censored and deleted. Such is the way that it obviously is here and so best to keep the intelligent conversations elsewhere and keep the trite and meaningless conversations about naked hugs, etc here. Is it any wonder then why so many here never say one word in open chat or forum and those who attempt to do so give up when censored and move on to other sites.
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Its not just threads that get censored people do too.
Ive had an email saying my account is about to be suspended, apparently my posts were flagged by someone as offensive. Ive no right of reply and I expect my account to be deactivated as soon as TT gets round to it.
As far as I know Ive only upset one person on here by pointing out that he has at least 7 other fake accounts. My guess it that he and the fakes have been flagging everything ive posted. I dont think TT will even bother checking it.
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Its not just threads that get censored people do too.
Ive had an email saying my account is about to be suspended, apparently my posts were flagged by someone as offensive. Ive no right of reply and I expect my account to be deactivated as soon as TT gets round to it.
As far as I know Ive only upset one person on here by pointing out that he has at least 7 other fake accounts. My guess it that he and the fakes have been flagging everything ive posted. I dont think TT will even bother checking it.
ReactReply - MEMemberFeb 27, 2022Its not just threads that get censored people do too.
Ive had an email saying my account is about to be suspended, apparently my posts were flagged by someone as offensive. Ive no right of reply and I expect my account to be deactivated as soon as TT gets round to it.
As far as I know Ive only upset one person on here by pointing out that he has at least 7 other fake accounts. My guess it that he and the fakes have been flagging everything ive posted. I dont think TT will even bother checking it.ReactReply - MEMemberFeb 27, 2022Its not just threads that get censored people do too.
Ive had an email saying my account is about to be suspended, apparently my posts were flagged by someone as offensive. Ive no right of reply and I expect my account to be deactivated as soon as TT gets round to it.
As far as I know Ive only upset one person on here by pointing out that he has at least 7 other fake accounts. My guess it that he and the fakes have been flagging everything ive posted. I dont think TT will even bother checking it.ReactReply - DI
divesterFeb 27, 2022Absolutely horrified to find this topic has been deleted. I'm definitely going to assess whether I want to stay on a site where chat is controlled and limited to what you're allowed to say.
ReactReply - MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 27, 2022[quote]i also replied and as usual my post was deleted like every other one i ever posted , i will never post anything on this site ever again .[/quote] This is exactly why those who contribute to the forum give up and leave.ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 27, 2022[quote]Absolutely horrified to find this topic has been deleted. I'm definitely going to assess whether I want to stay on a site where chat is controlled and limited to what you're allowed to say. [/quote] There was nothing remotely close to argument about anything in our discussions. If we can not even have civil conversation about being allowed to discuss certain topics, then there is absolutely no hope here. Only one person objected to having a discussion about any meaningful topic and we actually never got to discuss anything before the topic was deleted. Just goes to show that it is pointless to contribute or talk about anything meaningful here. TT2...are you listening???ReactReply
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SteveFeb 27, 2022As already mentioned, the ideal of free speech (and it is an ideal, especially for this of us outside the US*) is something that should be imposed on governments and, especially in this modern age, communication mechanisms (looking at you, Silicon Valley).
TN and TS are not the government and, to me, are not a general platform, such as Twitter. I accept that they can restrict certain topics on that basis, and we can choose to participate or not on that same basis. I avoid creating such topics on that basis, even if I find it hard to resist joining in the fray once the topic has been created by someone else. :-) Perhaps you can join other platforms.
* It seems to me, a robust Constitution supported by a populace with the resources to defend it are the best safeguard, this side of things getting kinetic (and even then, resourcefulness is useful). In Australia, free speech is not addressed in the way it is in the US which was never a problem until governments found they had little impediment to placing restrictions. Our Constitution [em]does[/em] address freedom of movement between the states but that was ignored at times in the past two years, and legal efforts to block the laws were unsuccessful as the High Court chose not to reverse government actions in defence of the Constitution. **
** This post may cross the TN line. If it (or I) disappear, you'll know why! :-)ReactReply - ST
Strandjunge59Feb 28, 2022If you live in Russia or China you could speak about the suppression of freedom of speech. Or better you don't do that if you live there. But to speak about the fredom of speech because one of your topics was deleted out of whichever reasons. I think some people lacks the measure of things today.
ReactReply - DIdivesterFeb 28, 2022[quote]If you live in Russia or China you could speak about the suppression of freedom of speech. Or better you don't do that if you live there. But to speak about the fredom of speech because one of your topics was deleted out of whichever reasons. I think some people lacks the measure of things today.[/quote] Be very careful saying what you think on here. You may cause this post to be deleted, lol.ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterMar 1, 2022[quote]From the beginning I said many people were not ready for this topic. The emotional intelligence its very poor of many people in this site. Anyways there are other channels for that kind of debates. In fact there are so many that I dont understand why many people are whining here.[/quote] LOL.......... Why are you here whining then? Why not just live and let live..........let people have the freedom to speak as they wish..........or else start censoring and shutting down people's ability to speak because you are of the opinion that there are other channels for a discussion or a few people are too immature to handle such conversations. The main problem with this website is that it has been dumbed down so much due to a few who can't handle anything beyond naked hugs, etc so they resort to complaining about topics that do not interest them. They have their topics and no one is objecting to their topics so let others have theirs. If someone does not like the topic at hand then just move on. If you have ever raised or dealt with children, then you will know that at night the kids are sent to bed so the adults can have their adult conversations. Send the kids to bed here so the adults can have their conversations........ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterMar 2, 2022[quote]From the beginning I said many people were not ready for this topic. The emotional intelligence its very poor of many people in this site. Anyways there are other channels for that kind of debates. In fact there are so many that I dont understand why many people are whining here.LOL.......... Why are you here whining then?Why not just live and let live..........let people have the freedom to speak as they wish..........or else start censoring and shutting down people's ability to speak because you are of the opinion that there are other channels for a discussion or a few people are too immature to handle such conversations. The main problem with this website is that it has been dumbed down so m uch due to a few who can't handle anything beyond naked hugs, etc so they resort to complaining about topics that do not interest them. They have their topics and no one is objecting to their topics so let others have theirs. If someone does not like the topic at hand then just move on.If you have ever raised or dealt with children, then you will know that at night the kids are sent to bed so the adults can have their adult conversations. Send the kids to bed here so the adults can have their conversations........ You are a clear example of a person over reacting. No body is shutting down peoples ability to speak about it. In fact thats the trend topic every body is talking about everywhere everytime. The point is that the rules in this site is to keep politics and religion and sensible topics to a minimum.[/quote] You are completely wrong and rephrasing the rules to suit your own purposes. The rules are used haphazardly to suit certain people's purposes. You complained about any discussion of Ukraine and then engage in such discussions in another thread. You certainly are guilty of what you have complained about. The point is that people like you are actively engaged in shutting down meaningful conversation about an important topic and suppressing people's ability to express themselves as they chose. Your justification is that people here are not mature enough for such conversations. Ukraine is not a political topic...........it is a humanitarian one..........and one that is clearly prohibited here (except for you) along with any images of Ukrainian or American Flags.ReactReply
- GUGuzzi27Mar 2, 2022[quote]From the beginning I said many people were not ready for this topic. The emotional intelligence its very poor of many people in this site. Anyways there are other channels for that kind of debates. In fact there are so many that I dont understand why many people are whining here.[/quote] So you band debates about some topics because some people are not ready for it. Sounds like censorship to me. If posts are inappropriate deal with those posts not the thread itself. Just because this is a naturist website doesnt mean you limit the topics being discussed to being naturist related. You should be able to discuss any topic yiu want with other naturists. People you have s9 etching in common with. And in fact you are the one whining saying certain topics shouldnt be allowed on here, partly because you have such a low opinion of other members. What gives you the right to be so judgemental about other people. Why are you so much better than the rest of us.ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterMar 3, 2022[quote]From the beginning I said many people were not ready for this topic. The emotional intelligence its very poor of many people in this site. Anyways there are other channels for that kind of debates. In fact there are so many that I dont understand why many people are whining here.please refrain from insulting our intelligence in here ,there are other channels for your that and tn is certainly not one , your hatred and pro russian propaganda is political and not welcome and i qoute your own words ""DONT generalize the whole population. This is caused by the people in power in the country. My biggest circle of friends are Russians and they are not in control nor involved in that."posts like that are likely to cause upset and cause arguments which we dont want in here , as well as been a political statment please do not postit is causing great stress and upset to many of us people in here !!!! Thats the reason this topic should no be here. Too much hate is what arises.[/quote] If this is true, then this is a very small price to pay considering the images of dead civilians including women and children that were killed by the Russian invaders. Many of us will go to bed and sleep safe and sound in our beds tonight and never know the horror of an innocent people who are spending the night in an underground shelter wondering if they will survive the night or be killed by Russian bombardments.ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterMar 3, 2022[quote]Make me laugh when I see people saying that I am banning censoring promoting Free speech go and read all my comments. Stop the hate and being childish. Once again. Sensible topics are not supposed to be the aim for this site. Stop whining and go and really help people who are suffering instead of whining here. There are many channels to talk about this topic and help economically. And stop Russian hate, Asian hate, black people hate etc. Stop stereotypes. The war is controlled by the power not by the person who sell fruits in a market or a kid in a school.[/quote] Are you really not aware that you have been complaining about members on this TN site being too 'immature' to handle such a serious conversation as Ukraine? Are you really not aware that you are indirectly trying to shut down all conversation about this serious topic when you say "Sensible topics are not supposed to be the aim of this site"? Are you really not aware of the meanings - both direct and indirect - of what you post? As I have stated before, people in Europe have a very different experience with russian invasions and know what the russians are capable of doing and will do. Those of us in the USA do NOT have this understanding. We were never invaded and had our cities destroyed or our citizens slaughtered. The Russians are now encircling Ukrainian cities, cutting off power and water, cutting off supplies into those cites. They will starve the civilians to death, kill them at will, destroy the entire cities, and leave nothing behind all in the name of fighting "Nazis" (which is a Putin lie). People are demanding to do something to help Ukraine and that includes sending supplies to Poland such as food, clothing, medicine to help with the enormous numbers of refugees crossing the border into Poland. 16,000 people for other nations have now entered Ukraine to fight for Ukraine and more will no doubt volunteer to fight. I think that you are way out of line when you tell someone who is going to Ukraine to fight for his nation to stop whining and go do something to help. He is doing exactly that. What are you doing to help?ReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterMar 3, 2022
"Beyond Ukraine, the Target Is What Putin Calls Americas Empire of Lies
The Russian leader is consumed by revanchist fury and convinced of a relentless Western plot against Moscow."
For those who have doubts, the war will not stop with Ukraine. For those who do not know:
Nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, unhealing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism, Mr. Putin said. Americas conduct across the globe was con-artist behavior.
He continued: Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same empire of lies.
Mr. Putin seemed oblivious to the fact that the choreography of the Russian invasion has been one of extraordinary, if predictable, doublespeak.
It has included unsubstantiated accusations of humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime; Russian recognition of the independence of the separatist regions of Donetsk and Luhansk so that these peoples republics could ask Russia for help; and the claim that therefore Russia was within its rights, under the United Nations Charter, in responding to a request for assistance by sending troops to demilitarize and de-Nazify Ukraine.
In the end, Mr. Putin appears to have had no hesitation in ordering Russia into Ukraine. He accused the authorities in Kyiv all neo-Nazi usurpers, in his view of aspiring to acquire nuclear weapons for an inevitable showdown with Russia.
He appeared to have forgotten that Ukraine once had a vast nuclear arsenal before it gave it up in 1994 under an agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. Russia was one of the countries that signed the accord, promising in exchange that it would never use force or threats against Ukraine and would respect its sovereignty and existing borders.
So much for that."
ReactReply - STStrandjunge59Mar 3, 2022
Sorry to hear that. I think most of us didn't realise that he is personally affected. I don't know what to say.
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Balazs B. J.Mar 3, 2022I can wholeheartedly sympathize and empathize with Ukraine. I know from personal experience what it is like to be invaded by the Soviets, in this case by Russia!! Tanks rolling down the streets, taking potshots at aparment building, artillery pounding the city, planes dropping bombs and straffing people, soldiers shooting into crowds indiscriminately!! As for the so called "free speech", it has been an illusion for decades!! Political correctness has dug its grave a long time ago!!!
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PaulMar 3, 2022Exactly. [quote]What we share in common is an interest in naturism and spending our time naked. That shouldn't mean that discussion in forums and/or chat room is limited to naturist related topics.[/quote] I used to run several online groups. I made it very clear that any topic of interest to members of the group was fair game for discussion. Just because we are all _______________, doesn't mean we are not also interested in a myriad of other topics.ReactReply - JI
JimMar 3, 2022And for anyone who wonders how this might relate to nudism or naturism it's very simple. The world order program that Putin and his allies want is deeply conservative anti nudism pro shame pro orthodoxy anti LGBTQ2 anti Black and so on. Not a whole lot of good news but it means vigilance and the willingness to stoop low and climb high to pull the weight of a war machine if need be. We are one minute to midnight.
ReactReply - PAPaulMar 6, 2022There is no freedom of speech here. [quote] Given that a recent topic was deleted for no other purpose then to maintain the status quo of suppression of freedom of speech here, it is obviously best that those who was a mature and intelligent conversation head to other sites and abandon this site to the usual 'naked hugs, cyber kisses, and how is the weather' nonsense. It is obviously beyond the scope of this site to allow anything other then grade school topics. This is very sad indeed because it just proves the point that all here are considered incapable of having intelligent and mature conversations about anything of substance! [/quote] The Bill of Rights protect citizens from the government, not from each other. I don't know why any particular topic gets deleted, but there are different reasons for why a topic does get deleted. * The person who created to topic can delete it for any reason or no reason at all, * When an account is deleted (for whatever reason), all of the forum posts made from that account are also deleted. If that person started some discussions, those entire discussions get deleted.ReactReply