Why does it have to be so expensive.....

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 4, 2014

  The beach is free.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 4, 2014

  When nobody shows up the prices will go down, but that's not going to happen.
  

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 5, 2014

  [quote]the closest "resort " to us is about 150 miles , thankfully we have c/o hot springs much closer even tho we don't like the c/o part it beats nothing .not sure if we would even go to the only resort here in Colorado as we have heard its full of snobs so that only leaves us traveling out of state to get to a good resort and that is expensive
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  'as we have heard its full of snobs"   HEARD?????
  
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  DesertRat

  Jul 5, 2014

  I was thinking the same thing when we visited Disneyland. It costs an arm and a leg just to get in and hundreds of people are lining up to pay the entry fee. I guess if they lowered the fee, thousands of people would be lining up instead of just hundreds and that would be a nightmare. I have no real idea of how much it costs to operate a nudist resort but the normal business expenses, just to keep the doors open, are quite high. Comparatively, the demand for these services, unlike Disneyland, is rather low. Therefore the owners must charge a high enough fee from the few paying guests so they can pay their bills and realize a profit. For them it's a tremendous balancing act. Charge too much and your attendance drops; charge too little and you can't pay your bills. A larger attendance will actually increase the costs due to higher maintenance costs. Only an accountant looking at the books, can really tell if the resort is charging a fair amount. The only thing you can do is to vote with your feet.

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  ManOfWicklow

  Jul 5, 2014

  Most places will charge as much as they can possibly get away with: It's called GREED.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 5, 2014

  "I think greed is a terrible thing unless you are in on the ground floor."
  ~‘Yogi' Berra
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Jul 5, 2014

  [quote]"I think greed is a terrible thing unless you are in on the ground floor."
  ~‘Yogi' Berra
  [/quote]Ah yes, I remember him and his friend Boo-Boo.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 5, 2014

  'Tis a lesson in supply and demand. If some demands a place to be nude they must pay the price to someone that supplies the place.
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Jul 6, 2014

  [quote]It's the same in the UK nude spas are more expensive-but I guess they always will be as it's a catch 22 situation-yes there is a demand as we travel to the existing facilities but no there isn't enough demand from people to justify someone setting more up, after all there are many textile spa users who would not even consider attending a nude venue so the potential client base is much smaller.  [/quote]There is an estimated 3.7 to 4 million naturists in the UK. Demand IS there.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 6, 2014

  [quote][quote]It's the same in the UK nude spas are more expensive-but I guess they always will be as it's a catch 22 situation-yes there is a demand as we travel to the existing facilities but no there isn't enough demand from people to justify someone setting more up, after all there are many textile spa users who would not even consider attending a nude venue so the potential client base is much smaller.  [/quote]There is an estimated 3.7 to 4 million naturists in the UK. Demand IS there.[/quote]Out of 63.23 million?
  

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  sunnmaxx

  Jul 7, 2014

  Coming up with some low cost alternatives would be nice. Like open public areas, parks, campgrounds, but who will take on the liability nightmare of private ownership.  It gets expensive quick.
  

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  Christopher

  Jul 7, 2014

  [quote]we tend to agree that resorts charge to much, especially when you consider that most nudists travel long distances to get there . round trip can often cost $100.00 in gas alone or more . many nudists are on a fixed income and simply can't afford to go very often if the grounds fee's are high
  [/quote]One's lack of disposable income does not effect the cost of running a resort. One's distance from a resort does not effect the cost of running a resort one iota. This matters not if the club is textile or clothing optional.Visitors from all over the nation (and even the world) fly to Florida to visit both the nudist and textile resorts. The airfare to Florida most certainly is more then the $100 you mention and does not keep those resorts from being full and turning a profit.
  We all do what we can afford, I drive hundreds of miles to visit naturist clubs. My brother and his wife spend considerably more flying to resorts in the Caribbean every winter. Quite honestly, should those resorts they visit lower their prices because their guests must take multiple flights and spend thousands to get to their remote location?  Sadly you don't seem to understand capitalism. Not everyone can afford to live the life they choose.If the gas used to travel to a resort is too expensive for a visitor, is that the fault of the resort? The resort is not responsible for the income level of those that would like to visit.  Perhaps instead of bemoaning the price of recreation one should look at increasing their income so that they can enjoy that which they cannot currently afford.
  
  Thinking of the economics of running a resort: There are privately owned, for-profit resorts. They must cover their expenses and make a profit for their investors. That is capitalism. There are also co-operatively owned resorts that are owned by their members. These facilities are for the joint enjoyment of their owner/members. If you compare the gate, room rental, and other charges on an apples to apples/oranges to oranges bases -rustic club to rustic club, superclub to superclub; you will find that the costs to visitors is about the same. A poster suggested that the price is based upon greed. If the cost is similar at a co-operatively owned club is similar to that of a privately owned club, then it can't be greed. It is a function of a cost of providing the goods and services.One need not have an advanced degree in economics to understand the paradigm. There are less nuders then textiles. Therefore per capita there are less visitors available to pay for the services. The costs of running a nudist facility are greater (fencing, security, insurance, running background checks on visitors, etc.) then a textile facility. Less guests and greater expenses = higher rates.Yes, I have joked around that it costs a lot for me to take my pants off. But, it is certainly understandable why the costs are where they are. My best guess is that those that complain about the prices of nude recreation (1) have never owned/managed a business so they don't understand the costs involved; (2) complain about other things that they desire but can't afford;  (3) don't take personal responsibility.
  
  A poster complains about the distance they must drive (and the expense therein) to drive to the club of their choice.  Who decided to locate where they reside? If you live in the mountains is it fair to complain how long the drive is to the ocean?  Is it the club's fault that they live so far away? Perhaps the club they don't wish to visit due to their perception (through rumor) due to "snobbery" has visitors with sufficient income and can afford the recreation venues they visit instead of those that would rather just bitch and moan about that which is out of their reach. Face it, if all one's income allows is for them to purchase a used Toyota do they complain that a Cadillac, Lexus, or Mercedes-Benz is not within their reach?
  
  
  
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Jul 7, 2014

  [quote][quote]we tend to agree that resorts charge to much, especially when you consider that most nudists travel long distances to get there . round trip can often cost $100.00 in gas alone or more . many nudists are on a fixed income and simply can't afford to go very often if the grounds fee's are high
  [/quote]One's lack of disposable income does not effect the cost of running a resort. One's distance from a resort does not effect the cost of running a resort one iota. This matters not if the club is textile or clothing optional.Visitors from all over the nation (and even the world) fly to Florida to visit both the nudist and textile resorts. The airfare to Florida most certainly is more then the $100 you mention and does not keep those resorts from being full and turning a profit.
  We all do what we can afford, I drive hundreds of miles to visit naturist clubs. My brother and his wife spend considerably more flying to resorts in the Caribbean every winter. Quite honestly, should those resorts they visit lower their prices because their guests must take multiple flights and spend thousands to get to their remote location?  Sadly you don't seem to understand capitalism. Not everyone can afford to live the life they choose.If the gas used to travel to a resort is too expensive for a visitor, is that the fault of the resort? The resort is not responsible for the income level of those that would like to visit.  Perhaps instead of bemoaning the price of recreation one should look at increasing their income so that they can enjoy that which they cannot currently afford.
  
  Thinking of the economics of running a resort: There are privately owned, for-profit resorts. They must cover their expenses and make a profit for their investors. That is capitalism. There are also co-operatively owned resorts that are owned by their members. These facilities are for the joint enjoyment of their owner/members. If you compare the gate, room rental, and other charges on an apples to apples/oranges to oranges bases -rustic club to rustic club, superclub to superclub; you will find that the costs to visitors is about the same. A poster suggested that the price is based upon greed. If the cost is similar at a co-operatively owned club is similar to that of a privately owned club, then it can't be greed. It is a function of a cost of providing the goods and services.One need not have an advanced degree in economics to understand the paradigm. There are less nuders then textiles. Therefore per capita there are less visitors available to pay for the services. The costs of running a nudist facility are greater (fencing, security, insurance, running background checks on visitors, etc.) then a textile facility. Less guests and greater expenses = higher rates.Yes, I have joked around that it costs a lot for me to take my pants off. But, it is certainly understandable why the costs are where they are. My best guess is that those that complain about the prices of nude recreation (1) have never owned/managed a business so they don't understand the costs involved; (2) complain about other things that they desire but can't afford;  (3) don't take personal responsibility.
  
  A poster complains about the distance they must drive (and the expense therein) to drive to the club of their choice.  Who decided to locate where they reside? If you live in the mountains is it fair to complain how long the drive is to the ocean?  Is it the club's fault that they live so far away? Perhaps the club they don't wish to visit due to their perception (through rumor) due to "snobbery" has visitors with sufficient income and can afford the recreation venues they visit instead of those that would rather just bitch and moan about that which is out of their reach. Face it, if all one's income allows is for them to purchase a used Toyota do they complain that a Cadillac, Lexus, or Mercedes-Benz is not within their reach?
  
  
  
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  Christopher

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote]Perhaps some wise person with property will start up a throwback nudist club.  Room for camping, a few cabins, a pool, and a snack bar.  Mandatory nudity if it's over 70.  Following the KISS principle.  A place to be nude, have a dip, socialize.  Cut back on the frills to keep the expenses down.[/quote]If the club is looking to attract younger members, then this business model will be the road to failure. Those around my age are turned off by anyplace that describes itself as either rustic or simple.
  In order to earn our money we want luxury, nice facilities, Wi-Fi, activities, etc. Just because a venue allows nuding is not enough to earn our money. Why would we want to spend money for less then resort like facilities? If there is no bar, no nighttime activities, what is the point of going. We are not interested in going to a place that just offers a small pool, shuffleboard, and Pétanque.
  
  
  

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote]I think this guy is looking for a nightclub and not a nudist resort .....lol ,altho there is a handful that do combine the two but I don't know of very many resorts that's gonna shell out that kinda money just to bring in a few kids
  [/quote]Well said.
  

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  Christopher

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote][quote][quote]Perhaps some wise person with property will start up a throwback nudist club.  Room for camping, a few cabins, a pool, and a snack bar.  Mandatory nudity if it's over 70.  Following the KISS principle.  A place to be nude, have a dip, socialize.  Cut back on the frills to keep the expenses down.[/quote]If the club is looking to attract younger members, then this business model will be the road to failure. Those around my age are turned off by anyplace that describes itself as either rustic or simple.
  In order to earn our money we want luxury, nice facilities, Wi-Fi, activities, etc. Just because a venue allows nuding is not enough to earn our money. Why would we want to spend money for less then resort like facilities? If there is no bar, no nighttime activities, what is the point of going. We are not interested in going to a place that just offers a small pool, shuffleboard, and Pétanque.
  
  
  [/quote]Speak for yourself.  I've met a lot of young people that like nudism simple.  That also reads as less expensive.  Just spent the weekend camping at a state park on the Sonoma coast.  No wifi, no cell coverage either.  LOTS of 20 something's.  Don't know where you got shuffle board and pétanque from, as I never mentioned it.  Keep your tude.[/quote]The proof is in the success of those nudist clubs that offer "more". Laguna Del Sol, Cypress Cove, Avalon, Sunny Rest, Turtle Lake, White Tail and similar clubs which offer more activities, nicer rooms, restaurants, etc. get more visitors and more younger nudists. Venues that offer less and cater to a more sedentary crowd don't attract large crowds of younger nudists and what business doesn't look to the coming and growing demographic?
  

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  Christopher

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote].  Keep your tude.[/quote]The only attitude you are seeing is in your mirror. Perhaps you need to accept that others have differing opinions.
  

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  ravensflyinnow

  Jul 8, 2014

  Most regular (clothed) camping, (state, county and federal parks, and private campgrounds), charge from $35-50 per SITE a night. That's generally with minimum services and facilities provided. Nudist resorts generally charge their day rate per PERSON + an overnight fee for the campsite. Laguna Del Sol for instance would be $68 per night for 2. Single $38. Most nudist resorts have more facilities than a lot of government run camps.
  As far as what attracts a younger crowd.... I think that's as diverse as the people visiting. I'm with Bunny on this one. There are many young people that don't want all the fluff of a resort. 1, they can't afford it and 2,  they do like it simple. Maybe the West is different than the East, maybe it's the friends in your circle. In my travels, there were less younger people across the board, be it a rustic resort or LDS type places. Most of the young nudists I encounter are at the beaches, trails, hot springs and other natural (free) settings.
  

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  DesertRat

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote][quote]It's the same in the UK nude spas are more expensive-but I guess they always will be as it's a catch 22 situation-yes there is a demand as we travel to the existing facilities but no there isn't enough demand from people to justify someone setting more up, after all there are many textile spa users who would not even consider attending a nude venue so the potential client base is much smaller.  [/quote]There is an estimated 3.7 to 4 million naturists in the UK. Demand IS there.[/quote]The reason the number is estimated is that most of them are home nudists or closet nudists. No one knows a definite number and the only ones who are paying the bills are the ones out of the closet.
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Jul 8, 2014

  [quote]I'm just guessing here, but I have always believed that there is and always has been ahell of a lot morenudists than people think .   ever wonder why it takes someone so long to answer the doorbell when you ring it
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  Christopher

  Jul 15, 2014

  [quote]the closest "resort " to us is about 150 miles , thankfully we have c/o hot springs much closer even tho we don't like the c/o part it beats nothing .not sure if we would even go to the only resort here in Colorado as we have heard its full of snobs so that only leaves us traveling out of state to get to a good resort and that is expensive
  [/quote]Take a look at the prices from Colorado's Mountain Air Ranch. A weekday grounds fee of $10. On weekends and holidays it goes up to $30. If you spend the entire week it's only $80 Hardly excessive!
  
  DAILY GROUNDS FEES: Sat/Sun/Hol Mon-Fri WeeklyPer Individual (18 & over) $30 $10 $80Holidays occurring on a Mon-Fri are charged at the weekend rate.
  

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  jake39

  Jul 15, 2014

  Here in Florida we have endless miles of beach with a lot of secluded spots that most of us here would like for them to be made available to nudist but out government doesn't see fit to open them up to nude.A section of the nude community can't seem to behave
  properly when on a public beach which causes a lot of people to be against having a nude section of beach.
  

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  Travellingbizguy

  Jul 15, 2014

  Post 41, you are correct.   We all only have a certain amount of disposable funds, and we each spend as we see fit to bring us our own enjoyment.  Knowing pricing up front, while we may not agree, we have a choice on how to spend.
  
  Post 42, you are also correct.  Too many people conflict nudity with sex and think one leads to the other.  It could have been a few bad apples in the past or just their misinformation.
  
  

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  Jim

  Jul 31, 2014

  It is more expensive, if you don't count the 'day fee', the price is comparable to other resorts and campgrounds. But, you gotta pay the nude fee.  Since we moved to the farm, we can run around nude for free.  I like that.
  

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