another teacher forced to resign over nude photos online

gabareOriginal Poster

Jan 6, 2010

a teacher in pennsylvania is being forced to resign after nude photos were found online and uploaded to students cellphones. my question why are teachers, police officers and firefighters held to a higher standard than are elected officals who are corrupted and how many have have questionable sexual escapades.

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ME
Member
Jan 7, 2010
this is SO wrong, the same situation that military members are subjected to. always held to a "higher standard" without the actual directions of the standards being mentioned. The rules are made up by those who have sunday school ideals and expect others to believe the same tripe!
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Curt, or Cowboy
Jan 7, 2010
I'd call it a different standard, not a higher one.
Teachers I can almost understand. Fire and cops, not at all.
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Philfreeeuk
Jan 7, 2010
[quote]Can somebody post a link to the news article[/quote] Put this intogoogle"teacher pennsylvania resign nude photos" and you'll get 19,400 of them.
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blueiron35
Jan 7, 2010
Here is my rant for the day. Would the teacher still be in trouble if someone had broken into her house and taken pics of her from her husbands dresser? How about if they peeked in the window and took pics of her in the shower? Or maybe the gym locker room? Those were her personal pictures, she did not distribute them, they were stolen. If it had been a wallet that was found and a credit card stolen would the student not be facing charges right now? The pics were personal info stolen out of a "file" in the phone and distributed. The little bastard that passed the pics around should have to face some consequences. While I feel that having them on a cell phone was not a good idea, it does not change the fact that they were taken and handed out, so to speak, without her permission. Where exactly does the line get drawn between personal and professional. If the principal of a school is discovered to have a subscription to hustler does that mean he is a pervert and should not be allowed to be in a school? If a teacher is an avid hunter and can kill an animal from 300 yards with a camel on his back does that mean he is a psycho and should not be allowed in a school? If a teacher is single, man or woman, and loses their wallet at school, it is found and has a condom in it. Does that mean they are not the kind of person we want teaching our kids just because he or she is sexually active? They are engaging in pre-marital sex. How long until that is enough to fire someone over? Will the teacher be blamed for bringing a condom to school in their wallet? Maybe that is not a good example but you know where Im going with it. I have some very strong opinions about where blame falls sometimes. I will do a seperate post for it. This ladys privacy was violated by a kid who knew exactly what they were doing and yet the teacher will be the one to suffer. What a shame that we as a country look to lay the blame on everyone else when we feel uncomfortable.
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Thomas
Jan 7, 2010
[quote]a teacher in pennsylvania is being forced to resign after nude photos were found online and uploaded to students cellphones. my question why are teachers, police officers and firefighters held to a higher standard than are elected officals who are corrupted and how many have have questionable sexual escapades.[/quote] I can see where some professions are held to higher standards, that is part of their professional ethics. Howevere the standard shoud apply to what their job is. Obvioulsly if a law enforcement officer uses his position misuses his athority to gain personally they should be judges more harshly is an example. I can't understand how voters will re-elect someone who is under investigation for criminal activity. The worst is seeing someone reelected repeatedly after he ran his car off the road into a river while drunk and his mistress drowned because he ran away.
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Thomas
Jan 7, 2010
[quote]Here is my rant for the day. Would the teacher still be in trouble if someone had broken into her house and taken pics of her from her husbands dresser? How about if they peeked in the window and took pics of her in the shower? Or maybe the gym locker room? Those were her personal pictures, she did not distribute them, they were stolen. If it had been a wallet that was found and a credit card stolen would the student not be facing charges right now? The pics were personal info stolen out of a "file" in the phone and distributed. The little bastard that passed the pics around should have to face some consequences. While I feel that having them on a cell phone was not a good idea, it does not change the fact that they were taken and handed out, so to speak, without her permission. Where exactly does the line get drawn between personal and professional. If the principal of a school is discovered to have a subscription to hustler does that mean he is a pervert and should not be allowed to be in a school? If a teacher is an avid hunter and can kill an animal from 300 yards with a camel on his back does that mean he is a psycho and should not be allowed in a school? If a teacher is single, man or woman, and loses their wallet at school, it is found and has a condom in it. Does that mean they are not the kind of person we want teaching our kids just because he or she is sexually active? They are engaging in pre-marital sex. How long until that is enough to fire someone over? Will the teacher be blamed for bringing a condom to school in their wallet? Maybe that is not a good example but you know where Im going with it. I have some very strong opinions about where blame falls sometimes. I will do a seperate post for it. This ladys privacy was violated by a kid who knew exactly what they were doing and yet the teacher will be the one to suffer. What a shame that we as a country look to lay the blame on everyone else when we feel uncomfortable.[/quote] I checked out the news story and I agree. The picture was stolen, she didn't give it out. The person who stole it should be the one in trouble.
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gator1
Jan 7, 2010
My earlier response was about whether teachers should be held to a higher standard, which I believe we should, but all teachers know the standard going in. It's not a secret.
Now...what is totally wrong is this aide being asked to resign over a stolen photo from her phone, and the student who stole it should be severely disciplined. However, if it had been me, I probably would have resigned, because I would not have been able to be effective in the job after that.
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blueiron35
Jan 7, 2010
I dont think anyone is agreeing with textile society that nudity is wrong. I am simply saying that in todays world where nudity = trouble for some, that we should be careful about how we are seen nude. I think we should not have to be afraid that a nude picture will get us fired, get us demoted, harassed or exorcised from the public eye. But the reality is that until things change we are forced to live within the boundaries set by society if not for the legal reasons, then out of respect for those who have different views on nudity. I think it is all together wrong that a picture is enough to stir up this kind of trouble. But I am especially upset that a stolen picture, spread around without the consent of the person in the picture can cause that said person to be in trouble. She was not flaunting her nudity, she was not disrespectful of those who are offended by nudity, this was done by someone else and yet the victim will again pay the price.
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Curt, or Cowboy
Jan 7, 2010
Normally, I'd trim a bit more, but I'm gonna disagree with certain parts of this in context..... [quote]So let me get this straight. We as nudists are agreeing with the textile world that nudity is wrong is certain situations???[/quote] YES !! Emphatically, absolutely !! Just as a male should never enter synagogue with his head uncovered, nor a woman a mosque, militant "in your face" nudism is also very, very wrong !! So is insistently remaining clothed at a nudist ( not clothing optional ) venue, though too many "nudists" do so in my experience. [quote]I thought the whole philosophy of nudism was to promote the fact that there is nothing wrong with nudity?[/quote] Social nudism, yes. Nudism in general, no. Time and place. [quote]A true nudist understands the nudist philosophy and never feels shame, no matter what the case. [/quote] No. Even a true nudist should feel shame being nude in a textile venue. Not at being nude, but at being SO out of place, in a situation where he/she should have known better. Shame over the extreme poor judgment, not over being unclothed. [quote]If you were at a nudist resort, would you care if someone else's kids saw you nude? No. Why does this apply strictly to nudists? This is the whole problem with the world, turning nudity into something bad. If we didn't demonize nudity and accepted it as a normal, healthy way of life, then all these other people wouldn't give two hoots if their teacher was naked. [/quote] With that much, we are in total agreement, but such is not the case. [quote]That should go for politicians, cops or the Queen of England.[/quote] I can assure you, Lizzy ( don't YOU ever call her that !!! ) would still be offended, and out of deference to her office ( if not her person ) you and I should respect that, by right of birth ! Time, and place. [quote]It's a shame to think that this world has not evolved enough yet to think that the nude body is something that should not be hidden. [/quote] And yet again, we agree ! [quote]I agree, if someone stole someone else's pictures, that is wrong. But on the other hand, if nudity was accepted by everyone, then there wouldn't have been a reason to steal the pics in the first place. It's also the same reason you have your weirdos on this site joining to get their thrills.[/quote] TRUE ! And when *I* become supreme ruler of the world..... but I digress.... [quote]Shame on anyone who agrees with this teacher being in the wrong.[/quote] While I'd be surprised that anyone on THIS forum would agree that the teacher was wrong, it's also true that she knew the rules going in. She knew what the potential consequences could be, right OR wrong ! [quote]What is wrong are the people getting their thrills over a nude body. That is the real crime and a shame. True nudist kids wouldn't give a damn if they saw their teacher nude, because they don't see nudism as some thrill or something naughty. For them it's normal, and that's the way it should be.[/quote] True, and again we agree.
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gator1
Jan 7, 2010
[quote]So let me get this straight. We as nudists are agreeing with the textile world that nudity is wrong is certain situations??? I thought the whole philosophy of nudism was to promote the fact that there is nothing wrong with nudity? A true nudist understands the nudist philosophy and never feels shame, no matter what the case. If you were at a nudist resort, would you care if someone else's kids saw you nude? No. [/quote] I think the thing is, on here, we're living what we believe in a world the way we want it to be. Out in the textile world, there's a different reality. Sadly, except for the fortunate few who can live in a nudist environment, we have to fit into that world. :( And, you're right...at the resort, I am nude around others' grandkids and children all the time, as they're part of that world with us. Shame doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the practicality. Gator1
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gabareOriginal Poster
Jan 7, 2010
would this be a different story if this incident happened in europe where they are more comfortable with nudity, i can only imagine how many times a teacher at a nude beach in france or germany may run into their students and both parties being nude, heck they may have a discussion in class over what one another did over the holiday, oh i saw ms.teacher at the nude beach here is a picture of us in the water, no big deal. over here in prude land USA they go nuts how progressive is that.
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catbird
Jan 7, 2010
The argument that if the nudist's standard, that there is no shame with the naked body, were in place, that would be well and good. But the teacher was forced to resign, because of standards set by the textile world.
The teacher has a case against the kid who stole the photos.
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kenoHick
Jan 8, 2010
Nudies, this easier than you think.
The Supreme Courts of almost all 50 states have ruled that nudity in private, is protected as Free Speech under the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. She can't be fired for her 1st Amendment rights of nudity, any more she can be fired for supporting a candidate at a rally or reading porn.
She needs a lawyer who is gonna sqeeze the schoolboard dry.
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PyroPJ
Mar 22, 2010
I know this is from last year but nobody mentioned the details.
I have heard of a story where a teacher had a PRIVATE nude photo on her mobile (cell) phone. A student STOLE her phone, invaded her privacy by going through it and looking at the photo that was found, and harassed her by sending the photo to other students.
Was he charged with invasion of privacy? No. Harassment? No. Even suspended? No. The teacher was fired and the headlines seem to have been along the lines of "teacher sacked for nude photo".
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Louis33705
Mar 23, 2010
A friend of mine who lives at the same nudist resort as I just got expelled from his church (Baptist) after his pastor came across an interview he did for Natura. The interview dwelt with the freedom our lifestyle represents. No photos were even posted.
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Cheri Donna Dawson
Mar 23, 2010
[quote]Normally, I'd trim a bit more, but I'm gonna disagree with certain parts of this in context..... [quote] [/quote] Just as a male should never enter synagogue with his head uncovered, nor a woman a mosque, militant "in your face" nudism is also very, very wrong !! So is insistently remaining clothed at a nudist ( not clothing optional ) venue, though too many "nudists" do so in my experience. [/quote] I beg to differ with you re: yarmulkes - Maybe in an Orthodox or Chasidic synagogue, but not in a Reform or Conservative synagogue is it mandatory for a man to have his head covered. I attend services just about every Friday night.
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PyroPJ
Mar 23, 2010
[quote]A friend of mine who lives at the same nudist resort as I just got expelled from his church (Baptist) after his pastor came across an interview he did for Natura. The interview dwelt with the freedom our lifestyle represents. No photos were even posted.[/quote] Would be nice if churches actually acted more Christian. What was that stuff about hypocrisy? And Adam and Even being naked and it being good? And something about the two most important commandments? And material possessions (think Catholic Pope and flowers for churches)?
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njmike
Mar 23, 2010
Personally, what people do on their own time is their business. This teacher was not breraking any laws, nor threatening anyone, and did not deserve this. I have been very careful what I post online for this reason - in some companies, it can be used against you and cost you your job. Is this fair or right? Absolutely not, but until we can change the public's attitude we will have to keep dealing with this.
Mike
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Curt, or Cowboy
Mar 23, 2010
[quote] I beg to differ with you re: yarmulkes - Maybe in an Orthodox or Chasidic synagogue, but not in a Reform or Conservative synagogue is it mandatory for a man to have his head covered. I attend services just about every Friday night.[/quote] Don't have to beg. You're certainly allowed to differ ! The Conservative congregation to which I was an invited guest, would suggest otherwise. However my point is just as valid, that challenging the norms of the current context is usually a wrong stance. Being blatantly nude in a textile venue, blatantly clothed in a nudist resort, covered or uncovered in ANY context where such is anti-established norm is not the way to win friends and influence people.
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njmike
Apr 13, 2010
Nekomania, You can be fired for an number of reasons. I know this - I was fired from big corporation 4 years ago for political reasons, as were several others. You can be fired simply because someone higher up does not like you. You can be terminated just to set an example for the other employees. One of my friends was forced out because he strongly disagreed with the 2nd in command in our department (this guy had a my-way-or-the-highway mentality). In my case, every excuse they gave me i could contradict, so they eventualy just slapped the "underperforming" label on me then canned me. I talked with my attorney about this. He said there are things companies can do that, while not ethical, are perfectly legal. Yes, you can fight it, but unless you can show you were discriminated on either race, gender, or sexual orientation, you don't stand much of a chance of winning. That's the real world we live in. Sorry if I sounded snippy, even after 4 years this can still be a sensitive issue for me.
Regards,
Mike
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A
Jun 29, 2010
There is no question about the fact that teacher's pics were of private nature and per se not an issue. Nevertheless, I would see a possible reason for a reprimand in reckless handling of her property, like a phone. When working with youth in a place like school, there are frew things you should guard from students with your life. They are your grade notes of students, test drafts and ay such private info relevant to students. Knowing how much such info may be stored in modern cell phones, it definitely is sloppy to let it be stolen (unless really all usually necessary precautions taken care of). For that I would consider a reprimand - but not sacking.
On the other hand, the student who stole (or took advantage of the abandoned) phone has definitely been guilty of serious misconduct (and possibly a criminal act) and least consequence would be longer period of unpaid community work or temporary expel - and possibly face criminalcharges if serious enough offence.
In a previous comment there was already a reference to Europe being different on this matter. That is somewhat true, but in Europe there also conservative corners and areas with high religious-based intolerance. In most European schools that kind of think would go out as a student prank and noone would make any serious issue out of it, the culprit student wiuld get a punishment and in a worst case (if the conditions for performing her work would have deteriorated a lot), teacher would be encouraged to seek a new position elsewhere at a date convenient to her and school would probably be supportive in helping her to find such.
Otherwise nudity in many cases is not a big issue, but in many cases teachers might be more careful to be topless on a textile beach they know their students probably would see them. On a beach with enforced nudity or a nude resort problem is not relevant as then the students encountered would be like-minded and biggest risk anyway is not bare seeing but the risk in open public spot of being photographed, taped or similar. Here also if a teacher reveals for a class that she/he considers nude swimming and sunbathing being very nice and recommending kids to enjoy it on vacation or when going for a swim a gym teacher forbids kids to go to sauna in swimwear (if he/she wouldn't, the personnel of the place would react instead) are considered nothing special and wouldn't raise eyebrows of parents.
Aki aka TravelNudie
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