Groups - Why was my new Group removed by the Moderators? — Rules for posting in here on True Nudists

SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster

Jan 5, 2011

I am a genuine long-time nudist from the UK and have been a Smoothie (no body hair) for many years. Additionally I was circumcised at birth. I enjoy the way these both enhance my nudity. I started a club and website for smooth and circumcised naturists some years ago here in the UK as I realised that many other nudists enjoy being the same. Although I could no longer run the club, the website is very popular to this day.
With this in mind I started a new Group here at Truenudists three days ago. It was called "Smooth and Circumcised Naturists/Nudists" and was intended as a "Worldwide Group for Smooth Ladies and Smooth and Circumcised Gentlemen". The condition for being approved for membership was: "You must be smooth to join this Group and, if male, circumcised." Six Truenudists applied to join in the first day.
There are Groups here for Circumcised Naturists and for Smoothies, so why was my Group which combines these two deleted by the Moderators? I am puzzled.

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Gerry-4
Jan 5, 2011
I can't speak for the powers-that-be. However, I do know an effort is being made to avoid the proliferation of duplicate groups. If there are already smoothie groups and circumcised groups, thatcouldbe a reason. But I can't really say.
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Thomas
Jan 5, 2011
[quote]I can't speak for the powers-that-be. However, I do know an effort is being made to avoid the proliferation of duplicate groups. If there are already smoothie groups and circumcised groups, thatcouldbe a reason. But I can't really say.[/quote] I also cannot speak for site owner, he is only one who can remove groups, but suspect it is because of the duplication.
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Member
Jan 5, 2011
just to reiterate tx_ag, ONLY the site owner can remove groups, moderators are ONLY for the chat room.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 5, 2011
[quote]I can't speak for the powers-that-be. However, I do know an effort is being made to avoid the proliferation of duplicate groups. If there are already smoothie groups and circumcised groups, thatcouldbe a reason. But I can't really say.[/quote] Thanks for that but I don't think so as there are relatively few groups for these two "types" of nudist - and none which combines the two aspects ... which is exactly why I started it, of course!
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 5, 2011
[quote]just to reiterate tx_ag, ONLY the site owner can remove groups, moderators are ONLY for the chat room.[/quote] That is interesting, thank you. I noticed that other groups that started recently have also mysteriously disappeared. This gets stranger and stranger! The implication is therefore that the site owner as deleted some Groups, including mine. But why? I remain puzzled.
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ME
Member
Jan 5, 2011
no one has the answers you're looking for so the best suggestion is to write tosupport@truenudists.comand ask the owner to provide you with the answers you seek.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]There has always been a tendency to remove groups that would appear to be a duplicate of others or maybe very similar to others. I am not aware of how a group becomes created and have assumed that a member merely establishes a name for the group, issues guidelines for behaviour and then creates the group and it appears in the Group Listings. Maybe it would be a better idea, if this perhaps does not happen already, that anyone wishing to create a group completes some kind of Pro-forma which is then submitted to Admin. for Approval and Verification. Once Admin. have reached a decision some kind of acknowledgement could be sent to the Creator advising that either the Group has been accepted, or, if not, why it was not. However, this will increase Admins. workload, which is already significant I suspect, and this increased workload would need to be recognised and maybe more members would need to be encouraged to become paying members in order to cover Admins. time and effort.[/quote] Thank you for your observations and suggestions. I wonder if the Owner will peruse the constructive comments, such as yours, left on this section of the forum?
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]no one has the answers you're looking for so the best suggestion is to write tosupport@truenudists.comand ask the owner to provide you with the answers you seek.[/quote] As a relative newcomer to this site (joined in 2009), I thought other more experienced members would have known "the answers I am looking for" as obviously Groups are being formed, and it seems deleted, all the time. Thank you for the address I shall drop them/him/her a (gentle) line.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]I would suggest it would be coureous to at least have a message with a reason why a group might be deleted.[/quote] Couldn't agree more. Especially as I took a while carefully working out the wording and setting it up - AND we had six members in the first day all of whom will wonder why the group no longer exists! They probably think thatIhad second thoughts and deleted it!!
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Philfreeeuk
Jan 6, 2011
If you join a group, the option on the link to that group on your profile, is "Quit."
If you create a group, the option on the link to that (your) group on your profile, is "Close." (delete)
If your profile is deleted, without you first closing your group, it is then orphaned.
If you have created moderators, they can continue to approve new members after you have
left the group or deleted you profile.
If not, and the group is set to approve new members, no new members can join and be approved.
Existing members can continue to use the group forum.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]You can't delete a group. All you can do is orphan it. As to why, groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted. That of course would include groups where they are part of the focus. As for smoothies, there are two groups already with "smooth" in the title, and probably others that are related to it.[/quote] "[quote]groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted." [/quote]This can't be true as there are already established Truenudist groups that are both for and against circumcision - eg "Circumcised Naturists" and "Uncut nudists with retracted foreskins". I remain puzzled - especially as I have a successful group similarly named (Smooth and Circumcised Nudists) happily existing on Nudistspace.org !
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]If you join a group, the option on the link to that group on your profile, is "Quit." If you create a group, the option on the link to that (your) group on your profile, is "Close." (delete) If your profile is deleted, without you first closing your group, it is then orphaned. If you have created moderators, they can continue to approve new members after you have left the group or deleted you profile. If not, and the group is set to approve new members, no new members can join and be approved. Existing members can continue to use the group forum.[/quote] Thank you for all this, but I am afraid none of it applies: 1) I still am a member (as you can see!) and so no orphaning has taken place and 2) I had a "close" link against my fledgling group, but never clicked it.
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Philfreeeuk
Jan 6, 2011
[quote][quote]You can't delete a group. All you can do is orphan it. As to why, groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted. That of course would include groups where they are part of the focus. As for smoothies, there are two groups already with "smooth" in the title, and probably others that are related to it.[/quote] "[quote]groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted." [/quote] This can't be true as there are already established Truenudist groups that are both for and against circumcision - eg "Circumcised Naturists" and "Uncut nudists with retracted foreskins". I remain puzzled - especially as I have a successful group similarly named (Smooth and Circumcised Nudists) happily existing on Nudistspace.org ![/quote] Many nudists feel (myself included) that anything that attracts attention to genetalia is likely to give the wrong impression to the novice/textile reader, and should they not bother to investigate nudism thoroughly, will no doubt be left with the wrong impression. In an ideal world, (where nudity was totally accepted as the norm) we would be able to discuss anything openly, but given the misconceptions and objections faced by nudists everywhere, in their efforts to gain permission to practise their chosen lifestyle at designated beaches and venues, I feel it is prudent to avoid such subjects on a platform that is open to the general public, as it is likely to be counter productive to the movement as a whole. This view is probably taken by the admin here, as this type of group is generally not permitted. Yes some slip though, but if you raise the matter with admin, sighting those already here, it is likely that all you will achieve is to flag up said groups, and they may be removed also. btw, imho, there IS nothing, that NS won't tolerate!
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catbird
Jan 6, 2011
[quote][quote]You can't delete a group. All you can do is orphan it. As to why, groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted. That of course would include groups where they are part of the focus. As for smoothies, there are two groups already with "smooth" in the title, and probably others that are related to it.[/quote] "[quote]groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted." [/quote] This can't be true as there are already established Truenudist groups that are both for and against circumcision - eg "Circumcised Naturists" and "Uncut nudists with retracted foreskins". I remain puzzled - especially as I have a successful group similarly named (Smooth and Circumcised Nudists) happily existing on Nudistspace.org !Many nudists feel (myself included) that anything that attracts attention to genetalia is likely to give the wrong impression to the novice/textile reader, and should they not bother to investigate nudism thoroughly, will no doubt be left with the wrong impression. In an ideal world, (where nudity was totally accepted as the norm) we would be able to discuss anything openly, but given the misconceptions and objections faced by nudists everywhere, in their efforts to gain permission to practise their chosen lifestyle at designated beaches and venues, I feel it is prudent to avoid such subjects on a platform that is open to the general public, as it is likely to be counter productive to the movement as a whole. This view is probably taken by the admin here, as this type of group is generally not permitted. Yes some slip though, but if you raise the matter with admin, sighting those already here, it is likely that all you will achieve is to flag up said groups, and they may be removed also. btw, imho, there IS nothing, that NS won't tolerate![/quote] Phil, you hit the nail on the head.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote][quote][quote]You can't delete a group. All you can do is orphan it. As to why, groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted. That of course would include groups where they are part of the focus. As for smoothies, there are two groups already with "smooth" in the title, and probably others that are related to it.[/quote] "[quote]groups that focus on the genitalia (e.g., the status of the foreskin) are generally deleted." [/quote] This can't be true as there are already established Truenudist groups that are both for and against circumcision - eg "Circumcised Naturists" and "Uncut nudists with retracted foreskins". I remain puzzled - especially as I have a successful group similarly named (Smooth and Circumcised Nudists) happily existing on Nudistspace.org ![/quote] Many nudists feel (myself included) that anything that attracts attention to genetalia is likely to give the wrong impression to the novice/textile reader, and should they not bother to investigate nudism thoroughly, will no doubt be left with the wrong impression. In an ideal world, (where nudity was totally accepted as the norm) we would be able to discuss anything openly, but given the misconceptions and objections faced by nudists everywhere, in their efforts to gain permission to practise their chosen lifestyle at designated beaches and venues, I feel it is prudent to avoid such subjects on a platform that is open to the general public, as it is likely to be counter productive to the movement as a whole. This view is probably taken by the admin here, as this type of group is generally not permitted. Yes some slip though, but if you raise the matter with admin, sighting those already here, it is likely that all you will achieve is to flag up said groups, and they may be removed also. btw, imho, there IS nothing, that NS won't tolerate![/quote] But there are literally hundreds of groups here that fall into your category. Why should mine be singled out? In any case surely that is what Groups are all about: A collection of like-minded individuals. Nudists always say they should tolerate but here is clearly an example of discrimination.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 6, 2011
[quote]TT1 relies on members to flag inappropriate groups. If some of them get by under the radar and scroll off the latest-groups list, they will survive (usually in a comatose state) until they are flagged.[/quote] So what is deemed "inappropriate" on Truenudists? Here in the UK many naturists prefer to be smooth - hardly an inappropriate activity. In the US most nudist males are circumcised - hardly an inappropriate activity. So why are the two together considered "inappropriate" and by whom?
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 7, 2011
For the record, two days ago (at the suggestion made bysnugglebunnyabove) I emailedsupport@truenudists.comto ask for an explanation. No reply has yet been forthcoming.To sum up:I feel that more initial guidance should be given to members wishing to start new Groups so that deletion can be avoided by obeying the Owner's rules (whatever they may be). In particular, should the Owner of Truenudists decide to delete a Group, he should notify the Creator of the Group beforehand to explain why. A reasonable time to amend the Group to comply should then be offered before total deletion takes place.
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Curt, or Cowboy
Jan 7, 2011
[quote]To sum up: I feel that more initial guidance should be given to members wishing to start new Groups so that deletion can be avoided by obeying the Owner's rules (whatever they may be). [/quote] Total agreement, but two years of this site suggests that isn't going to happen, and by not happening inadvertantly promotes the problem, complaints, misunderstanding, and conflict. I'm sure the unintended consequence is a much higher work load for the owner as well.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 7, 2011
[quote]smooth nudist01/06/2011 13SMOOTH LOOK IS THE BEST12/25/2010 70smoothie's with no tan lines01/06/2010 463 Here are the current groups listed as smooth. How about just joining them?[/quote] [quote] [/quote] [quote]I have - but none cater for "Smooth and Circumcised Naturists" as mine did.[/quote] Note "Smooth Nudist" was only started one day ago. Will it be deleted after two days, as mine was through "duplication"?
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 7, 2011
Does it really matter? None of them are even active. All this talk about smoothies makes me wanna go to Jamba Juice and have one[/quote] Yes they are active! Smoothies were smooth naturists in the UK decades before you named the drinks in the US!!
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JackNeilson
Jan 7, 2011
Smoothie,
The members here have given all the answers they are capable of and can give you no more. TT1 is the only person who can tell you why your group was deleted.
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 8, 2011
[quote]Smoothie, The members here have given all the answers they are capable of and can give you no more. TT1 is the only person who can tell you why your group was deleted.[/quote] And he hasn't (yet) even had the courtesy to answer my polite email requesting this, sent three days ago. Two days ago another smoothie group has been launched. I wonder if he will delete that also as "duplication"?
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SmoothieJohnOriginal Poster
Jan 9, 2011
[quote]Gee who really cares....the entire topic is just going around and around the mulberry bush.Noone can answer your question satisfactorily apart from TT1, and yes I know you sent him an email 3 days ago and no response.......YET!........He has been working diligently trying to speed the website up, that is the loading of pages etc, I should imagine he finds that far more important at this moment in time. He will respond, when he has the time.[/quote] Well obviously quite a lot of members care, judging from the support I've had, both here and privately. We'll see what TT1 (what does that stand for, btw?) says if he responds - and it doesn't take a moment to do so .. 'tis only courteous to reply, surely. We should all learn from this: IMO Group Creators should be given gudelinesbeforestarting a group then apply to start it offline. On approval, the Group could then go live. If not approved a reason should be given. For me, I have learnt that, despite us believing that nudists are supposed to be tolerant of other's views, many are not. Indeed from experience I venture to suggest that naturists in the UK are actually less discriminating and more tolerant than those from across "the Pond" who dominate this site.I hereby rest my case.
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