Study suggests non sexual social nudity boosts sex life

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  Colin

  Nov 30, 2022

  That makes a lot of sense!

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 30, 2022

  It does and to the vast majority of people who experience naturism on a regular basis its an observable fact.

  Sadly, too many deniers on here who rarely, if ever experience naturism want it to be sexual and demand that if we dont change the facts to suit their agenda then we are being judgmental by not allowing them to behave the way they wish, and naturism will die.

  Its very odd, but its what they are constantly posting on here.

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  EarlDOriginal Poster

  Nov 30, 2022

  [quote] Sadly, too many deniers on here who rarely, if ever experience naturism want it to be sexual and demand that if we dont change the facts to suit their agenda then we are being judgmental by not allowing them to behave the way they wish, and naturism will die. Its very odd, but its what they are constantly posting on here.[/quote] That is right on point and they never bother engage in facts or logic they simple do what they accuse others of doing spout their hyperbolic diatribes and self interested opinion to try to shut down opposing voices.

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  Bill

  Nov 30, 2022

  Thank you for the article and the enlightenment. As to where this thread is likely to go, it takes very little time for most every post about nudism with regard to sexual conduct to devolve into some heated argument about how being naked should give a person the freedom to do whatever or act however they want. Being freed of clothing has much less to do with a shift in any personal freedoms and much more to do with how you treat the people and the world you choose to live in, along with how you perceive yourself in that world. A person who feels that behavior should all of the sudden be unrestricted because they are not dressed is being childish. Not much has changed except that they are no longer wearing clothes to hide behind. That lack of clothing may (and often does) make someone feel different, but it gives them no newly-acquired right to treat others differently than when they were dressed. Respect for other people and their sensibilities does not go away with the clothing.

  There are moments when nudism can make uncomfortable interactions a lot more avoidable. Think of the guy who meets a woman and cannot stop himself from gawking at her breasts - in the clothed world that is rude and pathetic, and not altogether uncommon. If he were to do the same thing to her if they met naked, he'd still be acting like a dick for the objectification of the woman's body, but he can no longer hide his arousal behind has pants. The woman can quickly move on, learning in a moment that the man is a disrespectful turd. Just to be fair, the reverse but equivalent situation - when it is a woman showing a lack of respect by eyeballing a man's genitals in the nude - the man being objectified can easily see where the woman is looking, and if it is more than a simple glance or it makes him in any way uncomfortable, he can also make a hasty exit.

  The health benefits this article brings to light about being unclothed in social spheres is refreshing to read. More studies need to be done, and such studies need more exposure to the general population. Psychology Today has my unadulterated respect for publishing this article.

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  Steve

  Nov 30, 2022

  It's not hard to see why dealing with body issues in a nonsexual context gets them out of the way, and avoids letting those issues complicate sexual interaction. There's value in naked interaction with a wide variety of people, where there might or might not be sexual interest, because every interaction strengthens the realization that you can live your life in the body you have.

  If nudity is always about sex, then the liberating benefit of social nudity is lost, and nudity remains tied up with the complicated negotiations around sex and sexuality.

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  EarlDOriginal Poster

  Dec 1, 2022

  [quote] If nudity is always about sex, then the liberating benefit of social nudity is lost, and nudity remains tied up with the complicated negotiations around sex and sexuality.[/quote] The key thing for me in you comment isalwaysSocial nudity and just being naked public are different in my opinion. The social aspect is diminished as you say when the nudity is emphasized about the social. Putting the emphasis on the social first means having respect for others in the social space. Something that the nudity = sexual permission people seem to abandon.

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  Bill

  Dec 1, 2022

  "Social nudity and just being naked [in] public are different in my opinion." How are these two things different? If we are speaking of just being bare in the physical presence of other humans versus actual social interaction while naked (talking, playing, swimming, sunning, dancing, etc.), there is certainly a difference, though the partial quote above seems more like a mincing of words than moving the discussion forward - no offense. Walking through a crowd of other nudists without talking or interacting is not social, it is essentially the opposite, even though there will always be non-verbal language, such as how someone comports themself and where their eyes land or travel as they move. Indeed, even that limited interaction can produce sexual tension within the mind of the un-experienced nudist, possibly even more tension of that sort than what I'll call here "true socialization". During the warm summer months I sometimes see men walking around the pool area at our bare resort, usually moving among the lounge chairs over and over and around and around, looking a little like a lost puppy, in fact drawing more attention to themselves with their inability to mix in with anyone. Social skills are learned, and nudity does require the need for a bit of a re-learning for those not yet indoctrinated to the nude life.

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  EarlDOriginal Poster

  Dec 1, 2022

  [quote]"Social nudity and just being naked [in] public are different in my opinion."
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  I would tend to agree. The problem is the difference you describe is blurred in recent years just as some people take the state or condition of nakedness to mean practice or way of life that is nudism some of those same people compare social nudity as practiced in nudism/naturism as being naked in public.
  
  I dont think that can be undone I think the distinction just needs to be unapologetically made.[/quote]

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  John

  Dec 2, 2022

  [quote]"Social nudity and just being naked [in] public are different in my opinion." [/quote] I do see a distinction, in that social nudists tend to seek out other social nudists, whereas a person may go to a public park or beach and be naked because they like to be naked, whether or not somebody comes over to socialize with them. In fact, they may prefer to be alone, although they don't mind being seen naked by a lot of other people. These people would be happy just existing in a world where their nudity can be seen as a normal fact of life. What blurs the distinction is that, for now, they can find that world only in contexts of social nudity, where everybody accepts everybody else's nudity because they themselves are nude. I camp a lot. Sometimes I go there just to enjoy nature, and I'm not looking to "socialize" with other campers beyond the usual civilities. I'd like to do that nude as much as possible, but the only places I can do it are in "dispersed" camping in national forests and such, where nobody's around to see me, or in nudist resorts where nobody cares if I'm nude or not. I wish I could shuck my duds at any campground anywhere, even if I'm not looking for social interaction.

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  JamesTx2023

  Dec 28, 2022

  Love the opinions. Agree with most all. This is what I like about this site.

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  JamesTx2023

  Dec 28, 2022

  Love the opinions. Agree with most all. This is what I like about this site.

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  Member

  Dec 28, 2022

  The other good point demonstrated here is that there is research basis for the ideas promulgated and how they can support the various nuances of nudity listed. No one is or should have the exact same approach to the topic but all should be within a reasonable distribution. It makes for a deeper delve into the material.

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  Stone Andy

  Dec 28, 2022

  [quote]"Social nudity and just being naked [in] public are different in my opinion."[/quote] The difference between social nudity and being naked in public is almost like the difference between playing on a team and sitting in the stands as a spectator. The first is active participation with intentional involvement as part of a group and the second is often detached, recreational and circumstantial. People in groups including social nudism have a tribal code of expected behavior, dress/adornment, activities, gender balance and other rules and guidelines. Some on this site argue these standard needs to be well-defined and strictly enforced in order for healthy social nudity to survive. My question has been how can it survive if it excludes children, youth and young adults who are discriminated against by gender or the proclivities of private club property owners? By definition, a playing field is only so large and team members need to be excluded. For that reason, we need a variety of intentional public nudity venues for social nudism to survive. I've been to Haulover years ago and was fortunate enough to experience Hippie Hollow this year. Having been frozen out by the gatekeeper of landed resort nudism here in the Midwest US, it felt wonderful to arrive at a place where I could just pay a small entrance fee, enter without undergoing a criminal check or showing my personal identification or children's birth certificates and be myself with my skin interacting with the fresh air, sunshine and water directly. I was also surprised how calm and friendly others there were; social interaction flowed freely and spontaneously. Amazingly, it was also free of inappropriate sexual behaviors or even gawking. But then again, a middle aged man like me is typically not the target of gawking, and I wasn't going to approach random women there and ask if they were often approached by strangers like me. It makes perfect sense that non sexual social nudity boosts sex life. I just wish I had the opportunity to practice it without having to fly across the country.

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  EarlDOriginal Poster

  Dec 28, 2022

  These days are many perspectives on nudity in general some nuanced some not. Perspectives on social nudity are a subset of that and perspectives on nudism/naturism are a subset of that.
  
  The original post covered research on non sexual social nudity and its impact on the sexual life of people who practice non sexual social nudity. Of course research can be cherry picked though psychology today is recognized magazine in the psychology community and they said
  
  [quote]A recent study is the first unbiased investigation of the effects of nonsexual public nakedness.[/quote]
  If there is research of the same rigor that shows a contrasting perspective I hope is shared. That way we can have a reasonable conversation based on more than individual opinions. Part of the problem with the growth of naturism and nudism today is personal individual views and opinions on the subject drive the discussion more than research or actual facts. For example.My question has been how can it survive if it excludes children, youth and young adults who are discriminated against by gender or the proclivities of private club property owners?One persons experience without a clear timeframe and context used to make generalizations that may not be accurate.

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  StevieLorna

  Dec 28, 2022

  [quote]6) Without children/new generations to redefine themselves, social groups and gatherings tend to naturally age out..[/quote]
  
  This is absolute nonsense, our experience is that the majority of new naturists are empty nesters, who are having holidays for the first time without the kids, the number of parents introducing children to naturism is minuscule.
  
  Check out the ages and/or parental status of the first time posters on here who say they are new to naturism.
  
  Andy, just because you have kids and have been refused entry to a nudist club does not make it the norm, nor does it mean that because you say so, nudism Is dying.
  
  You may not like it, but other people are enjoying naturism, despite the bad experiences you have had.

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  Stone Andy

  Dec 28, 2022

  [quote] How was Valley View not a good fit? Too rustic? Nudity required? Something else?[/quote] I found Valley View too placid back yard suburban. I like rustic hiking and camping and having more space to hike on, so going for power hikes just in shorts (ugh) at a big state park is better for my restlessness. There was a small swimming pool to cool off in and people would silently bob in it with about 20 foam noodles in between their legs. As a visitor I found it hard to talk with people, maybe it was a generational gap. That was 25 years ago and I haven't been back since.

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  StevieLorna

  Dec 28, 2022

  Ignore the obvious focus on the abnormal.

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  Tom D

  Dec 28, 2022

  [quote]How was Valley View not a good fit?Too rustic?Nudity required?Something else? I found Valley View too placid back yard suburban. I like rustic hiking and camping and having more space to hike on, so going for power hikes just in shorts (ugh) at a big state park is better for my restlessness. There was a small swimming pool to cool off in and people would silently bob in it with about 20 foam noodles in between their legs. As a visitor I found it hard to talk with people, maybe it was a generational gap. That was 25 years ago and I haven't been back since.[/quote] Even though it advertises as a rustic site and has few cabins and mostly campsites? I do see what you mean about the pool since it is the size of a reasonably large home backyard pool. Maybe now that you are almost a generation older it might be a better fit.

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  EarlDOriginal Poster

  Dec 29, 2022

  [quote]Well I went back and read the article and found it interesting and it made sense. [/quote]
  
  Thanks for making the effort. I wonder if most of the commenters bothered to even read the article before commenting.

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