All those 2nd Amendment.....

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• JO

  

  JohnOriginal Poster

  Jul 17, 2013

  [quote][quote]....... proponents and gun nuts don't seem to care much about the 4th Amendment. Are you happy to have the NSA recording everything you do, say, write etc?[/quote]What?  You seem to be somewhere between a moron and an idiot.  Please explain.  The 2nd and 4th amendments are in harmony..
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  Leaving the gratuitous insult aside, do you have a cogent point?
  As I said, those who proclaim their 2nd amendment rights, appear not to have too much problem with their 4th amendment rights being trampled.
  I don't know how much clearer one could be. Yet it confused you.

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• JO

  

  JohnOriginal Poster

  Jul 17, 2013

  [quote]Post #1
  
  [quote]All those 2nd Amendment.....
  ....... proponents and gun nuts don't seem to care much about the 4th Amendment.[/quote]
  
  Post #13
  
  [quote]Hmmm, not a single post on topic. Says a lot about the posters here.[/quote]
  Actually, it says a lot about the wisdom of our members who refuse to be baited by a crashingly boring Marxist ideologue.
  
  You insult gun owners in your OP and then whine because they don't deem you worthy of a response. Boy, I'd infinitely rather trust my life to an American gun owner than to a thousand craven leftists.
  
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  Pure ad hominem.

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• ME

  Member

  Aug 15, 2013

  [quote][quote][quote]....... proponents and gun nuts don't seem to care much about the 4th Amendment. Are you happy to have the NSA recording everything you do, say, write etc?[/quote]What?  You seem to be somewhere between a moron and an idiot.  Please explain.  The 2nd and 4th amendments are in harmony..
  [/quote]
  Leaving the gratuitous insult aside, do you have a cogent point?
  As I said, those who proclaim their 2nd amendment rights, appear not to have too much problem with their 4th amendment rights being trampled.
  I don't know how much clearer one could be. Yet it confused you.[/quote]
  Ok. I'm bored at the moment. I'll bite.
  How do you mean? Please provide examples of where those in favor of 2nd amendment protections have applauded the NSA program. I have not. But let's begin with the basis of your assertion.
  I know that Greta Van Susteren-a prime time opinion show host has been raising the alarm about the NSA site in Utah(?) for many months. I think she is pro-2nd amendment.
  Also, we can talk about -Benghazi- IRS-IRS/FEC- Fast & Furious- DOJ spying of journalists
  PS - Were you kicked out of here? You're the fan of Karl Marx, right? The hyper conspiracy theorist?
  

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• FF

  

  FF32404

  Aug 15, 2013

  [quote][quote]Obama is just the figurehead of a cultural problem. [/quote]A global problem. We're all being constantly surveilled and all our governments are complicit.
  So what is it all for?
  Certainly not security. [/quote]You are an interesting guy.  For once I agree with you on this quote.  But regarding your first post, what gives you the idea that American gun owners (Or gun owners anywhere) would not care that the NSA is spying on all of us?  I'll agree that there isn't enough outrage over this which everyone should be speaking loudly about, but in my world, the 2nd Amendment proponents are the loudest voices against this.

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• JO

  Johnupnorth

  Mar 9, 2014

  I support the Second Amendment as well as the other nine of the first ten amendments which were written to prevent a tyrannical government from seizing too much power for itself and ignoring the unalianable rights which are granted to us through natural law.
  Many people, including gun owners do not understand the purpose of the Second Amendment as written nor implied: The Second Amendment was written expressly for the protection of the people as well as their right to dispense with a government should it become a tyrant. This does not mean anarchy. It means that an armed citizenry are the best defense against tyranny and in defense of liberty and freedom.  Many times Jefferson stated this in his writings and letters to friends and associates. Madison as well as Hamilton also made note of the same reasons.
  " God forbid we should be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty....and what country can preserve its liberties if  its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. The remedy to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is natural manure."
  Thomas Jefferson.
  No nation can disarm its people and remain free. Liberty will vanish like a puff of smoke in the wind should Americans be forced to give up their arms.
  

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• KE

  

  Keith

  Mar 12, 2014

  [quote]No nation can disarm its people and remain free. Liberty will vanish like a puff of smoke in the wind [/quote]Australia did disarm the majority of there citizens many years ago and we are still a free and safer Nation.
  But then again our government isn't hated by so many as is the USA

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• RE

  

  renebbare

  Mar 21, 2014

  It would be a sad indictment on any nation that its people needed to be armed to protect themselves from their Government, the democratically elected government!
  
  " No nation can disarm its people and remain free." - There are many countries where the people remain free and have no need of weaponry to do so.

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