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Feb 1, 2013In the past few weeks, I have seen and participated in many discussions on the recent school shootings.
What I don’t understand is why Obama will go out on national television in a campaign like setting in Las Vegas and call for everyone to act, to be on his side to pass Gun Control legislation, but he doesn't go on national television to address the nation and ask for the people to help to end gun Violence. Why won’t he come out and say to the nation that no matter what Congress passes it doesn’t work if the States and the people don’t help to make the country a safer place.
Isn’t this supposed to be a nation that was created by the people, of the People by the People and for the people, and our politicians serve us not the other way around?
Why doesn’t Obama go on national T.V. and say;
“We will look at what we can do to strengthen our gun laws to make sure guns are not ending up in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill but you do not have to wait to act. You have the power to reduce gun accidents and gun crime by acting now to learn proper gun safety and storage. We could be doing things now like instituting the Eddie Eagle Program to teach k-4th Graders simple gun Safety;
If you see a gun:
STOP!
Don't Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.
You could be going online and finding out the best way to secure your firearms for what makes sense for your situation.
We could be requiring conflict resolution teaching in school to teach our children how to resolve conflicts without resorting to violence. Isn’t that supposed to be part of the Safe Schools initiative so kids can feel safe at school and not bullied, etc?
You could be calling on your States and legislatures to Comply with the NICS system and report convicted criminals, people deemed mentally unstable, report people convicted of drug violations, etc.
If you are the victim of a robbery and your guns are stolen report them to the Police so that Law enforcement will know there out there and you are no longer liable if that gun is used in a crime.
There are many, many things that as Citizens of the United States you could be doing now to help curb gun violence in the U.S..
You don’t need to wait for Congress to act or an Executive Order from me for something to be done.
This country is founded on the Principle that the people are intelligent and capable of determining for themselves how our government should work and what our laws should be. This country works when people are involved and taking responsibility for it. Ask yourself are you doing what you can to prevent gun violence or are you just waiting for the government to do something about it?
Here’s a website with xxxxx information on what you can be doing now. It covers proper gun safety, safety rules you can teach your children when they see a gun, how to properly store weapons when they are not in use, etc.â€
Not a bad speech huh?
Why is it that ending gun violence is only a Legislative issue and what matters is what they can get passed and turned into law and not about citizens themselves taking a role in our society?
There are millions of gun owners and groups that would be more than happy to help make the country safer and help reduce gun violence. Many are offered free of charge or very inexpensively. Lawful gun owners do not want guns in the hands of criminals and don’t like gun violence anymore than you do. They do not like seeing children killed by guns any more than you do.
Instead of attacking lawful gun ownership, trying to limit their rights and making them the scapegoats every time a psychopath with a gun kills a child, why aren't you asking law abiding gun owners for help?
What I don’t understand is why Obama will go out on national television in a campaign like setting in Las Vegas and call for everyone to act, to be on his side to pass Gun Control legislation, but he doesn't go on national television to address the nation and ask for the people to help to end gun Violence. Why won’t he come out and say to the nation that no matter what Congress passes it doesn’t work if the States and the people don’t help to make the country a safer place.
Isn’t this supposed to be a nation that was created by the people, of the People by the People and for the people, and our politicians serve us not the other way around?
Why doesn’t Obama go on national T.V. and say;
“We will look at what we can do to strengthen our gun laws to make sure guns are not ending up in the hands of criminals and the mentally ill but you do not have to wait to act. You have the power to reduce gun accidents and gun crime by acting now to learn proper gun safety and storage. We could be doing things now like instituting the Eddie Eagle Program to teach k-4th Graders simple gun Safety;
If you see a gun:
STOP!
Don't Touch.
Leave the Area.
Tell an Adult.
You could be going online and finding out the best way to secure your firearms for what makes sense for your situation.
We could be requiring conflict resolution teaching in school to teach our children how to resolve conflicts without resorting to violence. Isn’t that supposed to be part of the Safe Schools initiative so kids can feel safe at school and not bullied, etc?
You could be calling on your States and legislatures to Comply with the NICS system and report convicted criminals, people deemed mentally unstable, report people convicted of drug violations, etc.
If you are the victim of a robbery and your guns are stolen report them to the Police so that Law enforcement will know there out there and you are no longer liable if that gun is used in a crime.
There are many, many things that as Citizens of the United States you could be doing now to help curb gun violence in the U.S..
You don’t need to wait for Congress to act or an Executive Order from me for something to be done.
This country is founded on the Principle that the people are intelligent and capable of determining for themselves how our government should work and what our laws should be. This country works when people are involved and taking responsibility for it. Ask yourself are you doing what you can to prevent gun violence or are you just waiting for the government to do something about it?
Here’s a website with xxxxx information on what you can be doing now. It covers proper gun safety, safety rules you can teach your children when they see a gun, how to properly store weapons when they are not in use, etc.â€
Not a bad speech huh?
Why is it that ending gun violence is only a Legislative issue and what matters is what they can get passed and turned into law and not about citizens themselves taking a role in our society?
There are millions of gun owners and groups that would be more than happy to help make the country safer and help reduce gun violence. Many are offered free of charge or very inexpensively. Lawful gun owners do not want guns in the hands of criminals and don’t like gun violence anymore than you do. They do not like seeing children killed by guns any more than you do.
Instead of attacking lawful gun ownership, trying to limit their rights and making them the scapegoats every time a psychopath with a gun kills a child, why aren't you asking law abiding gun owners for help?
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- MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 15, 2013
rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?
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SoupieFeb 15, 2013Yes, it seems to be working quite well. Peace be with you my gun loving brother.
ReactReply - SOSoupieFeb 15, 2013
Well, at least you realize what you are doing. I will give you credit for that.
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Curt, or CowboyFeb 15, 2013Without reading this WHOLE thread, but it appearing to be about "gun control" ( which to me, means using both hands ) look at it this way...
Chicago has the toughest gun laws anywhere.
There is more gun violence in Chicago now, than when Al Capone ran things, and there was no gun control at all.
The obvious rests.
It may save one life, but it's far more likely to cost hundreds if not thousands in order to save that one.
No, it's not worth it.
If doing away with seat belts saves just one life, is it worth it ?ReactReply - SOSoupieFeb 15, 2013"The toughest gun laws anywhere?"
Really? By American standards maybe, but that is a meaningless comparison worldwide. If you think that gun control doesn't work, look at the statistics of gun deaths per capita in Canada, Britain, Scandinavian countries and compare. If you think logically, you will see the difference.ReactReply - SOSoupieFeb 15, 2013
Okay, you just repeated something. That's not too relevant is it?
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FF32404Feb 16, 2013[quote]rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?[/quote]This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic!ReactReply - RE
renebbareFeb 17, 2013[quote][quote][quote]rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?[/quote]This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic! [/quote]Well said FF. [/quote]Very true and it is sad when both sides of the polarised debate enter into the slagging match.ReactReply - MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 18, 2013[quote][quote]rather than name calling and personal attacks, how about making your point, sight your source and wait for a reply. if personal attacks continue, don't you think you deserve to be flagged?! take your personal attacks elsewhere - clear enough?[/quote]This is the way a lot of posts in the forum end up! An issue is presented, there is a significant and polarized but friendly debate, the trolls engage, cite false information, use bogus sources, then start personally attacking all that disagree with them, forcing the attacked to go on the defensive! This is why so many forums have moderators. but here, the attacks go back and forth so often that people forget what the original topic was and have to spend more time countering the attacks than actually debating the topic! [/quote]it would eliminate about 2/3 of these posts - well saidReactReply
- MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 18, 2013I really don't want moderators on this site - that is why they have two IMO.
My original intention of this post was to discuss how Obama (and the rest of his fast to act because you don't want to waste a crisis people) was handling the issue. It is of gun safety and not gun/people control. If gun control is the issue, the propose an amendment to the Constitution and see how far it progresses. In truth, any other attempts to control arms is unconstitutional.
If more people took safety classes like in Switzerland, this may not be an issue. Understanding the operations and functions of various is not a politicians strong point. Most have jumped on the issue because they are NOT up for reelection in a couple of years.
We keep hearing that 90% or so approve of background checks - overall, this may be true but what they fail to mention is that most want to see the wording of any legislation before making a decision to support it.
It's just too bad we don't have a leader in the U.S. I guess we will be on the campaign trail with Obama for the next four years. Too bad for all of us... elections have consequences and you get what you vote for... but that's a topic for another post.ReactReply - SOSoupieFeb 18, 2013
Reductio ad absurdum.
ReactReply - SOSoupieFeb 19, 2013
I'm not convinced that that was worthy of repeating. But have another drink and do it again!
ReactReply - MEMemberOriginal PosterFeb 25, 2013he makes too much sense!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_T-F_zfoDqIReactReply