Cameras at Nudist Locations

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  Bill Bowser

  Sep 1, 2011

  [quote][quote][/quote]In the real world of the average person, society as a majority still frowns upon social nudity, and as nudists, we still have to live and work within that arena.[/quote] With all due respect this statement is nonsense, but it proves my point. Back in 2000 the Nudist Education Foundation commissioned Roper to conduct a poll to determine people's attitudes toward nudism. One of the questions asked if it should be legal for people to go skinny dipping and to nude sunbathe in places designated for such use. 80% of the people responded that they felt it should be allowed. Only 20%, or one in five, objected to the idea. For you and others to think that the majority of people frown on our lifestyle borders on hysteria. Where does this notion originate? Nothing could be further from the truth. If you turn on the light you'll find there is no reason to fear the dark. There really is nothing to fear, but fear itself. Come on, crack open that cloet door so you can at least peek out and see a little of what's going on.

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  sumdude

  Nov 6, 2011

  [quote]Cameras have always been banned at nudist locations, but with the changing technology of photography, I believe that it is time to set a more realistic set of rules for the use of cameras. Personally, I am not opposed to taking photos at nudist locations. From the many photos posted in members profiles it is apparent that I am not the only one who believes this.  Actually I sort of resent not being able to take pictures at various resorts, but that is their rules so I follow them. This is one of the reasons I am writing this post; to update the rules. Another reason is that we have had many activities and great times with some great people and have nothing tangible to remember them by. Photos would be most appreciated so we could remember all the great times. So here's my suggested set of rules for taking photos.
  
  1. Always have permission of the subject before taking any photo.
  
  2. Be sure of your background. Do not take photos with others in the background. (This is probably the most important rule and the main reason camers are routinely banned.)
  
  3. Do not take candid shots unless the subjects know and agree in advance that it is acceptable.
  
  4. Avoid taking shots from unflattering angles.
  
  5. Never post any photo on line or in any publication with out the consent of the photo subject.
  
  6. Do not share your photos on line with anyone other that the subject of the photos.
  
  It seems simple enough. It's simply a matter of showing common courtesy to your fellow nudist. I would hope that others would comment on this and maybe suggest their own rules. The main goal here is to create a new, updated set of rules for camera use at nudist locations.[/quote]Very reasonable guidelines.
  
  I happen to know that cameras are not banned at all nudist locations - not by a long shot.  This is an international forum.  Some folks seem to forget that constantly.  Each American state has different laws.  Different resorts in the states have different rules. For instance, Lake Bronson Club allows cameras. www.lakebronson.com
  
  I have read much in this forum by mature and experienced nudists who clearly speak from personal experience but don't know some things from outside of their nudist neighborhood.
  

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  Dario Western

  Nov 8, 2011

  [quote]"Cameras have always been banned at nudist locations,"[/quote][quote]Which nudist locations are you referring to?  The ones that I go to do not forbid cameras or camcorders.[/quote][quote]"but with the changing technology of photography, I believe that it is time to set a more realistic set of rules for the use of cameras. Personally, I am not opposed to taking photos at nudist locations. From the many photos posted in members profiles it is apparent that I am not the only one who believes this."[/quote][quote]Same here.  [/quote][quote]"Actually I sort of resent not being able to take pictures at various resorts, but that is their rules so I follow them. This is one of the reasons I am writing this post; to update the rules. Another reason is that we have had many activities and great times with some great people and have nothing tangible to remember them by. Photos would be most appreciated so we could remember all the great times. So here's my suggested set of rules for taking photos.
  
  1. Always have permission of the subject before taking any photo."[/quote][quote]Agreed.[/quote][quote]  2. Be sure of your background. Do not take photos with others in the background. (This is probably the most important rule and the main reason camers are routinely banned.)[/quote][quote]As long as you don't post them to the internet.  Sometimes if it is a very crowded event it is near to impossible to get people out of the background unless you do a bit of tweaking with the likes of Adobe Photoshop or Picasa 3. [/quote][quote]"3. Do not take candid shots unless the subjects know and agree in advance that it is acceptable."[/quote][quote]Agreed in theory, but in principle candid shots mean that the subjects are not aware of being caught on camera at the time the photo is taken.[/quote][quote]"4. Avoid taking shots from unflattering angles"[/quote][quote]Definitely agree![/quote][quote]"5. Never post any photo on line or in any publication with out the consent of the photo subject."[/quote][quote]Agreed.  If you're going to submit the photos to a nudist magazine, get your subject to sign a model release along with some photo ID as proof and send a copy off to the magazine as proof that the subject has consented.  If you don't use a release and the photos get published without the model's permission, their lawyer could have your house and car.  Always use a piece of paper to keep your arse clean.  ;)[/quote][quote]"6. Do not share your photos on line with anyone other that the subject of the photos.
  
  It seems simple enough. It's simply a matter of showing common courtesy to your fellow nudist. I would hope that others would comment on this and maybe suggest their own rules. The main goal here is to create a new, updated set of rules for camera use at nudist locations."[/quote][quote]Not necessarily.  If the subjects in question are ok for the general public to see them, then that's all fine and good.  I live by this dictum in the model photography world: "No trust - no shoot".  [/quote]
  

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  Curt, or Cowboy

  Nov 23, 2011

  The only reason the rules have changed ( they have ) is the advent of camera phones.
  When anyone, regardless of purpose or motive, can carry a camera phone, and subversively snap photos of anything, unbeknownst to the subject of the photo, there has come a need for a new understanding.
  Back "in the day" it was exceedingly difficult to conceal a Hasselblad and covertly snap anything, so there wasn't so much of a concern.
  Additionally, the only way to "publish" such at that time, was to sell them to a magazine. Easily traceable.
  Today, one can conceal a camera phone, and "publish" on internet. There are sites dedicated to such.
  As such, there is a need for new rules. Most places have risen to the challenge, but the pendulum swings and usually too far, so we have total bans on cameras and cell phones where there would be no need *if* people exercised common courtesy.

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  Yann88

  Dec 8, 2011

  I personally think the whole suggestion of allowing cameras at nude resorts is preposterous. If it's really nature shots you'd be after, I would suggest you visit a non-nudist part of nature. The only added value of a nude resort would seem to be the presence of naked people. Putting photographs of other people online is questionable at best to begin with, because of - among other factors - the right to privacy and the right of image (it doesn't matter if the person is recognisable or not). That said, however, taking pictures of other people and using them for what I can only assume are recreational purposes, is just as indefensable.Furthermore, as far as the thesis goes that it is a few bad apples that ruin things for everyone else: while it is not the vast majority of nudists who act pervy, it is more than a handful. I have seen guys masturbate at a nude beach, I have seen people stretching their body in every imaginable unappropriate position and I have observed that a cockring - which is nothing more than a sextoy to draw attention to the genitals - in these days is considered by many to be acceptable for nude recreation.I guess my point is that the fact that technology has advanced drastically, is no reason to drop all standards of decency. There are still things like respect and personal integrity and the fact that some people decide that this not an issue for them personally is not a valid reason to allow this. It's sad really, because it's exactly practices like these that give naturism the negative connotation it has in the eyes of many people - who might otherwise not be opposed to the idea.I hope this doesn't come across as too negative, but I do feel it's useful to contrast different visions concerning this issue.
  
  I agree with the previous post that common decency would ressolve much of the issue, but I fear it is far removed from reality.

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  planet_george

  Jan 14, 2012

  I assume the same rules apply at nude beaches such as Gunnison or Haulover? If so, I'm all for a designated area for taking photos. I would like for someone to take a pic of me nude (with my camera) so I can post it here.

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  renebbare

  Jan 16, 2012

  And no beach salespeople iether!
  
  Lovely beach though.

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  Grant

  Feb 6, 2012

  I have learned, to take my camera along with me when ever I go to nudist destinations as I'd like to have as many nude pictures taken of myself and I'm always happy to find someone willing to do it. cheers
  

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• ME

  Member

  Jun 1, 2012

  When I'm naked somewhere I'm not there for pictures.
  

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  intune

  Jun 2, 2012

  this topic will always have teeth

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  Mitch

  Aug 8, 2012

  [quote]A seperate location for photos is a great idea.[/quote]I agree, and the resorts could setup a nice looking display of their resort or club logo or sign, with nice bench or some such set so that you have a nice background.
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Nov 14, 2012

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• MA

  

  ManOfWicklow

  Nov 22, 2012

  [img src="http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2009/10/20/129005373234547379.jpg">

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  Bob

  Nov 23, 2012

  If you use Google Earth and zoom into Gunnison Beach, you can find some pictures taken by NJFINN. I do not know if any of the people in the pictures are friend and relatives.
  http://www.panoramio.com/user/5981853?with_photo_id=53935207
  Bob

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  Bob

  Nov 24, 2012

  The pictures available through Google Earth on panoramio were taken with a cell phone. If you click on the photo on the panoramio site you are taken to another page where, under photo details, you can click on extra information where you will see the information about the "camera", or cell phone that took the picture. I have a Windows 7 cell phone. A minute or two after taking the picture it is copied to my Sky Drive. Even after deleting the picture from the phone it stays on the Sky Drive where I can access it from the phone or a PC.
  
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  mako09

  Nov 29, 2012

  When we go to nude beaches and resorts we expect someone has a camera and will take pictures and as long as you realize this is a way of life now, you either accept it or don't go!

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  swingdancer1

  Dec 30, 2012

  I have a related problem, but it involves not taking pictures. I use a smartphone which has a camera to conduct business.
  Sometimes, i am at my home nudist club during normal business hours and would like to take my phone to the pool, but the club has a (reasonable) rule banning camera equipped phones from the pool area. I respect my fellow club members privacy and would never take pictures with my phone, but I hate being unavailable to my customers and vendors while I am at the club. this is an area where the technology has out ran our rules of behavior.
  

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  ManOfWicklow

  Dec 30, 2012

  [quote]I have a related problem, but it involves not taking pictures. I use a smartphone which has a camera to conduct business.
  Sometimes, i am at my home nudist club during normal business hours and would like to take my phone to the pool, but the club has a (reasonable) rule banning camera equipped phones from the pool area. I respect my fellow club members privacy and would never take pictures with my phone, but I hate being unavailable to my customers and vendors while I am at the club. this is an area where the technology has out ran our rules of behavior.[/quote]Well you must have heard the old saying - Don't mix business with pleasure.  AND  I think it would be a good idea to spend as much time putting some detail into your profile, as you have taken to post on here.  With a completely blank profile, people are less likely to take you seriously.

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  scotsnudist

  Apr 16, 2013

  I'm sure no-one, including resort owners, would disagree that photos are a great reminder of good times and most people enjoy their holiday snaps and that taken responsibly there's no problem. However as someone else pointed out these rules are made for the anti social minority and sadly as a result the majority have to suffer. I'm sure the issue is that its hard to regulate what type of pictures someone takes. Especially with point and click digital cameras its so quick to take pictures that if someone is carrying a camera it's impossible to stop them quickly and surreptitiously pointing it at others and taking an unwanted photo. It is much easier to simply ban photography equipment. Sadly this means that 99% of nudists need to suffer to protect us from the undesirable 1% who would use underhand tactics to take illicit pictures.

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  ManOfWicklow

  Apr 16, 2013

  [quote]Here is yet another "rule/policy" that is antiquated and needs to be rethought.  The younger nudist generation is absolutely clued to their technology.  Smart phones, Ipads ... they can't put them down and they are constantly talking pictures of themselves and their friends.  We continue to be afraid that some 20 yr old is gonna take a picture of my 60 yr old body and put it on the internet.  Guess what ... I beat them to it.  Most of us have.  One member here was a staunch opponent of cameras at clubs and resorts because someone might but his picture on the internet ... yet in his profile, that is not private, he's posted hundreds of nude photos of himself.  That makes a lot of sense.  Maybe if the numbers of those that are so adament about not having their pictures "possibly" taken, should either stay home, or confine themselves to a corner of the club or resort where they can scan the grounds for anyone with a phone, camera or Ipad.   News Flash ... if you've been nude on a beach, a club or resort ... and you've not found your picture on the internet ... chances are, you weren't worth taking a naked picture of.  Maybe that bothers some ... more.  ; )[/quote][img src="http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Science_and_Body/Hands_and_Feet/Clapping.gif">

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• ME

  Member

  Apr 16, 2013

  While at playalinda you will see occasional bird watchers and curious textiles on the crossover with cameras. When I see them I merely play like I'm ignoring and cover up or adjust direction. I also realize that I am at a public setting so I have to somewhat expect it. Funny story: a few weeks ago a fisherman caught a sting ray. He wrestled it in for over an hour. After he landed it you wouldn't believe the number of cameras that came out of beach bags. So don't be fooled that there isn't cameras around but be thankful that most nudists respect each other to not photo each other.

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  ManOfWicklow

  Apr 19, 2013

  Nudists who are worried about being seen because they are ashamed of their lifestyle should stay away from public places.  They are pereventing nudism from being accepted as a normal and natural way of life.

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  CabotCheese

  Apr 19, 2013

  Not only is it more difficult to police the 'no camera' ban, it is more difficult to *comply* with the ban. It's not unreasonable to want to take an iPad to read next to the pool, but iPad's come with cameras.My local club bans phones around the park due to the no photo ban, but more and more devices come with built in cameras.No matter what the rules, at least we'll never be subjected to a strip search :-)

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  Besuliik

  Apr 20, 2013

  I actually wouldn't mind having a manditory strip search included in airport security....since most airports won't/can't designate themselves as officially clothing optional.  Same goes with whatever security major harbors have.  Anyone know if it's possible to find a 'dumb' cellphone anywhere nowadays? (one without a camera and/or internet compatability)

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