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  EarlD

  Aug 5, 2022

  I dont think the media is overplaying naked context on this one. The individual who was killed was allegedly exposing himself sexually to a woman at a nude beach. The report suggest the victim had been harassing multiple women at the beech in a sexual manner. So nakedness is definitely part of the context. The idea that nudists are like everyone else is true but the motive for this killing should not be dismissed purely as a whack job. IMO it is more complex than that
  
  [quote]I'm tuning out the references to Trump and the Bidens, because they aren't relevant to this thread.What if find interesting is how the media thinks that it's somehow representative of nudism that the killer and the victim were naked. The fact is that nudists are by and large like other people. Most of us are sane, and then there is the VERY occasional whack job.[/quote]

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  nudony

  Sep 6, 2022

  I think that in order to have a meaningful or "intelligent conversation" about [em]looking[/em], you have to take voyeurism/gawking/leering/staring out of the equation. I would hope that most of the people here understand that it is not ok; and that insisting on making other people uncomfortable is sociopathic behavior that will certainly not be deemed acceptable at most nudist venues.
  
  With that out of the way: yes, people look at each other. I've talked about being in the pool area with some friends, and gazing over at the Yoga class being conducted nearby. Certainly, we glanced over at them from time to time while chatting. There was no contradiction there with nudist etiquette. That reminds me of a quote from the late-great Diane Webber:
  [em]"There is an attitude among nudists that chills me." Says Diane Webber. This is the attitude that states nudists dont look at one another.
  "Of course they look.
  "My goodness! All my friends enjoy watching each other at camp. Can you think of any other real reason why people should sit in the hot sun watching a volleyball game? Is it just for the volley-ball game? No. We sit there and comment favorably on what we see."[/em]
  So she goes even further in embracing a visual aspect to social nudity.
  
  [quote]I'll take in the scene around me, but definitely don't want to be a gawker. Conversely, I've never been worried about others looking at me.[/quote]
  A sound perspective. Early this summer I ran into an old co-worker; and when she recognized me, she reflexively and briefly looked at my "privates" before returning to eye contact. I understood that she was establishing that she was not only naked in front of me; but I was in the same "state" as she was. I, on the other hand, chose to maintain eye contact the entire time. There was no need for me to seek visual confirmation and risk making her uncomfortable in doing so.
  But since that day, we've hung out together many times and there aren't any hang-ups about us seeing each other naked; nooks, crannies and all during the course of our many varied interactions. It's the same with the other "regulars"; we don't pretend to be blind to each other. We know that people are going to look when we enter the pool area; and vice-versa. Or when we engage in activities like paddleboarding; or see others doing Naked Yoga. A big part of nudism IMHO is accepting being seen. Those that do not have a really hard time relaxing; and relaxation becomes challenging when you're overly concerned about who might be watching you as you climb out of the hot tub or straddle a lounge chair. Why even bother if you're constantly going to be on "high alert?"

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