The Constitution of the United States

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  DesertRatOriginal Poster

  Oct 11, 2012

  Very interesting discussions on world events and recent history. My only comment is the hope that one would try for brevity. Perhaps one would consider not discussing multiple subjects in a single post.
  
  Returning to the main thread; The Constitution of the United States.
  
  Question: How many amendments to the Constitution focus upon a person's "Rights"?
  
  Hint: The answer is not ten.

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  Soupie

  Oct 11, 2012

  "Bibi still offers peace, the Palestinians don't want it. They are isolated because they are the aggressors. They elect terrorists as heads of state. They want all Jews dead."
  
  Bruce has this terrible habit of painting with the broadest brush and blaming every single individual of a culture or country for the sins of a few.  "Bibi" wants peace on his own terms, including the right to extend his population into disputed territories that aren't a part of his country and to have Jerusalem be strictly for Israelis.  That's not exactly friendly bargaining.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]Very interesting discussions on world events and recent history. My only comment is the hope that one would try for brevity. Perhaps one would consider not discussing multiple subjects in a single post.
  
  Returning to the main thread; The Constitution of the United States.
  
  Question: How many amendments to the Constitution focus upon a person's "Rights"?
  
  Hint: The answer is not ten.[/quote]8 out of 27?
  

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  DesertRatOriginal Poster

  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]
  
  [quote]Very interesting discussions on world events and recent history. My only comment is the hope that one would try for brevity. Perhaps one would consider not discussing multiple subjects in a single post.
  
  Returning to the main thread; The Constitution of the United States.
  
  Question: How many amendments to the Constitution focus upon a person's "Rights"?
  
  Hint: The answer is not ten.[/quote]8 out of 27?
  [/quote]Interesting but not right. Most people automatically answer 10, which is not correct, but you eliminated 2 of the 10. Which two do you feel do not refer to "Rights"?

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

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  [quote]Very interesting discussions on world events and recent history. My only comment is the hope that one would try for brevity. Perhaps one would consider not discussing multiple subjects in a single post.
  
  Returning to the main thread; The Constitution of the United States.
  
  Question: How many amendments to the Constitution focus upon a person's "Rights"?
  
  Hint: The answer is not ten.[/quote]8 out of 27?
  [/quote]Interesting but not right. Most people automatically answer 10, which is not correct, but you eliminated 2 of the 10. Which two do you feel do not refer to "Rights"?[/quote]
  1. Amendment 1-"right of the people to peaceably assemble"
  2. Amendment 2-"right of the people to keep and bear arms"
  3. Amendment 4- "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses...."
  4. Amendment 6- "right to speedy and public trial"
  5. Amendment 7- In suits at common law..."right of trial by jury shall be preserved"
  6. Amendment 14- "right" of male inhabitant to vote for choice of electors for Pres and VP
  7. Amendment 15- "right of citizens"...to vote not abridged   on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude
  8. Amendment 19-"right of citizens" to vote not denied/abridged on account of sex
  9. Amendment 24-"right of citizens" to vote for Pres/VP/electors/Senator/Rep not denied/abridged for failure to pay poll or other tax
  10. Amendment 26-"right of citizens" 18 or older to vote
  That was out of all amendments, not just the Bill of Rights. If looking at the Bill of Rights, that number would become 5 that are specifically mentioned.
  
  
  

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote]I did read it, I just skimmed over some of the minutia-the details of the Iran-Iraq war. Due to the length, I'm guessing a lot of people, as you wrote, zoned out.
  Things that happened between 1945 & 1990 must be viewed in the context of the Cold War and the implications that Communist rule would have over the world.To view those actions in the context of the post-Cold War era, rather than in their true context is intellectually dishonest; it;s just a diversion from dealing with realities of the world we now live in.
  Did the USA deal with dirty players? Yes, of course we did. Did we seek to assure that we were a dominant player over the Soviets? Absolutely. Have we always preached the benefits of freedom? Yes. But it is silly to assume that we can either force all of the dictatorships in the world to be democracies, or not deal with them at all and the Communists would play fair or stay away. That wasn't the realities of the world.[/quote]Except that the Cold War was really a hoax invented by the Anglo-US axis to stifle Russia, exert US control over western Europe and keep Germany divided and conquered. In other words the US (and its British cohorts) were the aggressors.
  
  The "international communist conspiracy" never was. Just like there is no international islamic terrorist conspiracy today.[/quote]
  I never really understood the fixation with Communism otherwise. Communism is so 50 years ago. Now, it's "Islamic terrorist", or should I say, "Islamofascist"....

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]Fascism always needs an enemy.[/quote]This is true, but the wording is what I was hoping would get attention.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  We do have to keep in mind the outcomes of a Danish cartoon of Muhammad, along with this film. Then there was a French cartoon of Muhammad that brought some issues.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]after NATO killed 50,000 Libyans to overthrow a government that it didn't like.In the process destroying Africa's wealthiest country and empowering Salaffist mercenaries on its payroll.
  History doesn't start just when you want it to.[/quote]May also depend on who was behind the bombing (either former Libyan govt/sympathizers, or Muslim extremists)...Were there any new leads in that?

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote]We do have to keep in mind the outcomes of a Danish cartoon of Muhammad, along with this film. Then there was a French cartoon of Muhammad that brought some issues.[/quote]So it's the free expression of ideas and opinions that is to blame for terrorist activity? Really?
  Everyone should adjust their actions so that nobody offends Islam?[/quote]I never said that, but just implying that these things may not have helped when it came to the bombings. Let's not complain of others twisting words, and then do the same, since I've never spoken of my feelings/thoughts toward freedom of expression and possible causes of terrorist activity. I do NOT condone such an outburst, while at the same time I understand the impact that it will have. In short, no, actions shouldn't be adjusted. I may go ahead and watch this film and see what was being said and how these things were presented.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]DJ,
  
  I'm not trying to twist your words-but look at how you structured them. Mine is a logical conclusion. Especially in light of the way some people tend to place blame.[/quote]
  
  "No Islamist conspiracy....so our embassies in Libya and Egypt were attacked on the same day-just by sheer coincidence? Oh-yes, it was because of a movie trailer on Youtube that had 300 views before the Obama administration began to promote it.
  
  Have you ever heard of al Qaida? What are they? Freedom fighters? Just a happy band of Gypsies saving the world from oppression?"
  
  "We do have to keep in mind the outcomes of a Danish cartoon of Muhammad, along with this film. Then there was a French cartoon of Muhammad that brought some issues."
  
  I was bringing this up because of the coincidence part. There were several protests going on at that time in places, and these alone couldn't be coincidence. On the same note, what happened in Libya may have been connected to the film. It is possible, so I can't rule it out. There's also that animosity over the US involvement, which is why I had also brought up the possibility of former Libyan govt/sympathizers/extremists in another post.

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  Soupie

  Oct 11, 2012

  "Al Qaeda" has been decimated by the Obama administration.  Most of their leaders killed and gone to ground.  Something Bush couldn't or wouldn't do.  But I'm sure that Bruce would never acknowledge that fact.  The contempt, disdain, and superior attitude that he maintains when he is seriously intellectually out-gunned seems to me the height of irony.  Like a smug, small town librarian.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  Snakes can still bite (and inject venom) after the head is cut off...But, we can still understand the reference. A lack of head doesn't necessarily mean lack of danger, though.
  

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  Soupie

  Oct 11, 2012

  What the hell is a "cooter" other than an obscene synonym for vagina?  We are in serious "Honey Boo Boo" land here.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]What the hell is a "cooter" other than an obscene synonym for vagina?  We are in serious "Honey Boo Boo" land here.[/quote]LOL...Sorry, Soupie, I had to laugh at that. It's a kind of turtle. The way my mind works, I just got a mental image of a vagina biting someone...Gives a whole new meaning to the term, "snatch".
  
  
  

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote][quote]...., I just got a mental image of a vagina biting someone...Gives a whole new meaning to the term, "snatch".
  
  
  [/quote][/quote]Never read "Tommyknockers", huh?
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  I have, but it's been a while.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote][quote]...
  I was bringing this up because of the coincidence part. There were several protests going on at that time in places, and these alone couldn't be coincidence. On the same note, what happened in Libya may have been connected to the film. It is possible, so I can't rule it out. There's also that animosity over the US involvement, which is why I had also brought up the possibility of former Libyan govt/sympathizers/extremists in another post. [/quote]
  [/quote]Dj, Yeah,
  i think that what we are going to find out is that "Al Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb" planned and executed the attack on 9/11/12 in Libya. There are reports that there were no protests at 8:30 pm, and 15 minutes later, they were under siege in a coordinated way.
  I'm not sure about Egypt, but am inclined to believe there was AQ involvement there as well.
  The protests a couple of days later in-what-46 or so places? , was probably inspired by the video, after the Obama administration played it up.[/quote]
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  http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/film-protests-idUSL5E8KD5IW20120913
  
  May or may not be. Al Qaeda may be behind it (especially if the vid acted as yet more fuel to a fire), or may not be. I haven't seen anything yet telling for sure, so I can't make assumptions yet. Motives can be tricky, and not necessarily black and white. The article linked above is one I found right off.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  A few more from other sources...Just looking around
  http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html?pagewanted=all
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/12/egyptian-protesters-scale-us-embassy-wall-in-cairo/
  

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote][quote]....[/quote]
  I have, but it's been a while.[/quote]
  Me too-years but as I recall (and the details are sketchy),
  
  
  WARNING-----WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE END OF THE BOOK "TOMMYKNOCKERS" BY STEPHEN KING
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Sorry, but I hate when the end is revealed.
  
  
  
  At the end, as I recall, the woman who was digging up the object in her yard ended up somehow transforming, and a visitor-maybe a Sheriff's deputy and the woman's friend??--came to check on her and she grabbed him with tentacles from her.....coooter. I seem to remember being disappointed with the ending. And, they may have changed it when they did the movie. They must have, otherwise it would be a famous viral video by now.[/quote]
  It's been a while since I've seen the movie, too. A friend of mine made a painting of a nude woman and had nails (real ones, sticking out of the canvas) bent inward around the vagina, reminded me of that.

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  Soupie

  Oct 11, 2012

  The notion that Obama "played up" the video is so inane.  It wasn't even mentioned until the riots started and that was only to make the statement that the views expressed in the film were not those of America.  Except for Bruce.

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  Bill Nesc

  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote]Over 300 million people live under the US Constitution but very few people really know or understand its true meaning. Even some members of Congress are completely ignorant of what is contained in this document. Actually the Constitution is not so much a set of rules of what people can do, but is a set of rules of what the government CAN NOT do.
  
  Today people are attacking this document as being out dated and not right for our times. Islamists are saying that a much older doctrine, Sharia law, should replace it entirely. Others are pushing for the laws of the United Nations to over rule the Constitution.
  
  These Constitutional detractors are becoming relentless in their efforts and if they are successful the only out come will be total anarchy.
  
  Therefore it is up us, We the People, to protect and defend the Constitution from these evil forces. We can best do that by studying the Constitution and learning the true meaning of what it says and what it means. I believe that any person, regardless of nationality, would be willing to defend the ideals of the Constitution, if they truly understood the document.[/quote]Ah the Constitution, the document that was created by slave holding white male property owners who had no problem committing genocide.
  

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  Soupie

  Oct 11, 2012

  It didn't seem to hurt Bush when it actually happened on American soil.  And there was plenty to cover up there.  Including the six months of intelligence warnings that were ignored.

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  [quote][quote]A few more from other sources...Just looking around
  http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/world/middleeast/anger-over-film-fuels-anti-american-attacks-in-libya-and-egypt.html?pagewanted=all
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/12/egyptian-protesters-scale-us-embassy-wall-in-cairo/
  [/quote]Lies.
  More lies.
  Yet more lies.[/quote]
  
  That may be or may not, but which parts? How? Sources? I'd say that all sources lie or twist things, but it's a matter of picking out what is true. Picking out truth requires time, so unless someone was on the ground at that time, with knowledge from both sides, they are only speculating and really don't know what's going on.
  Yet another something...
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/dhs-report-warned-last-week-call-for-burning-embassy-down-in-cairo/
  
  
  
  

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• ME

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  Oct 11, 2012

  There are truths, half-truths, and lies.

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