SCOTUS lets stand state court convictions for nude female breast

UrsaMajorOriginal Poster

Jan 14, 2020

The link below is to a news report on the US Supreme Court declining to hear the case of a state court conviction of three women who exposed their breasts on a public beach. The Supreme court of New Hampshire found that the state law does not discriminate against women based on sex and that exposing the female breast is not free speech. The US Court of Appeals came to the opposite decision in a recent Colorado case. The Supreme's can only take so many cases each year so it could be they passed on this New Hampshire case with the intent to hear the Colorado case in the future. In the mean time your constitutional right to be nude is not decided.

https://time.com/5764148/supreme-court-public-nudity-convictions/

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Kevin
Jan 14, 2020
Sad, it's so incredibly puritanical.
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Phil Turner
Jan 15, 2020
Yeah, and there are SO MANY women who want to run around topless.
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Tom D
Jan 15, 2020
[quote]Yeah, and there are SO MANY women who want to run around topless.[/quote] In NY, where it is legal at parks, beaches and most other public places, very few women do so.
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nudeyooper
Jan 15, 2020
[quote]Yeah, and there are SO MANY women who want to run around topless. In NY, where it is legal at parks, beaches and most other public places, very few women do so.[/quote] If some do it is likely that more will follow. It takes a lot of courage to be the first or first few at something new, but with more that use the freedom there will be more that follow. Think about it this way. There was a time when there were no clothing optional beaches. Some tested the water so to speak and may even have had legal problems because of it. As more nude bathers took over a certain area, it just became common place that nude bathing would be allowed. There also would be more women who would exercise their top free right if men did not behave so rudely.
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Tom D
Jan 15, 2020
[quote]Yeah, and there are SO MANY women who want to run around topless.In NY, where it is legal at parks, beaches and most other public places, very few women do so. If some do it is likely that more will follow. It takes a lot of courage to be the first or first few at something new, but with more that use the freedom there will be more that follow. Think about it this way. There was a time when there were no clothing optional beaches. Some tested the water so to speak and may even have had legal problems because of it. As more nude bathers took over a certain area, it just became common place that nude bathing would be allowed. There also would be more women who would exercise their top free right if men did not behave so rudely.[/quote] Agree completely with your second point. However, concerning the first, it has been legal for women to be topless in NY since 1992 and it is still extremely rare. How long does it take for others to follow?
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nudeyooper
Jan 15, 2020
That's a question that only time can answer. Since trends in the U.S. seem to start in California, maybe when that state legalizes top freedom the wave will move east. The Colorado case could also be a catalyst.
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Kevin
Jan 16, 2020
You can't blame women for feeling uncomfortable because of the way the world has overtly sexualized the breast,and the fact that it's illegal. If it were legal AND we continued to work to recognize it just a body part, then women slowly might start to become more comfortable with it.
It has to start somewhere.
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dennis
Jan 16, 2020
Why does Europe have no problem? Yet America does. It's how you are brought up. Unfortunately too many ate scared of themselves and their inability to control thoughts and urges. Basically grow up.
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dennis
Jan 16, 2020
Why does Europe have no problem? Yet America does. It's how you are brought up. Unfortunately too many ate scared of themselves and their inability to control thoughts and urges. Basically grow up.
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Kevin
Jan 16, 2020
[quote]Why does Europe have no problem? Yet America does. It's how you are brought up. Unfortunately too many ate scared of themselves and their inability to control thoughts and urges. Basically grow up.[/quote] It's true - Europe is much more advanced in terms of accepting nudity and doesn't over-sexualize when it's not sexual. I guess we should maybe count our blessings that we're not as repressed as say the Middle East, however I don't feel like we're making any progress. I personally think we have a large segment of Americans that wish for the "days of old" and as such they've attempted to keep laws that hearken back to the 50's and 60's, when some progress in relaxing morality laws was first being attempted...
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Tom D
Jan 17, 2020
[quote]It's true - Europe is much more advanced in terms of accepting nudity and doesn't over-sexualize when it's not sexual. I guess we should maybe count our blessings that we're not as repressed as say the Middle East, however I don't feel like we're making any progress.I personally think we have a large segment of Americans that wish for the "days of old" and as such they've attempted to keep laws that hearken back to the 50's and 60's, when some progress in relaxing morality laws was first being attempted... The UK can be as bad as the US in attitudes to nudity and the assumption it has to be sexual. Nowhere near as open as much of the rest of Europe. But there again we wont be part of a Europe for much longer.[/quote] Yet the law is much more permissive than in the US.
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Paul
Jan 17, 2020
At least we know that we can be nude and as long as non sexual it is our legal rights and the police call centres should also know our rights.
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Jim
Jan 31, 2020
To answer why the US and Europe have such diverging attitudes and laws in places, it's important to look at who left Europe to come to the US. Puritans, Calvinists and Catholics make up a large percentage of the founding population, and their ideas are reflected in laws and political positions to this day. That's not the only reason, but it's one.
I agree there is a double standard for male and female breasts and nipples, but that's for some of the same reasons that we see such conservative and uptight attitudes around nude bodies in the first place.
Canada's Supreme Court struck down the breast ban for women many years ago and although it is rare, women are allowed to go topless in public nationwide as men are. The SCOTUS is deliberately applying obscenity to the breast and it's sad.
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