If nudity was legal in your area how soon would you go grocery shopping nude

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  Paul

  Dec 22, 2021

  I would not wait until I needed something.[quote]As soon as I heard about the change, and I needed something from the store.[/quote]If the law were set to change at 00:01, I'd be waiting in my car in the parking lot no later than 23:45. There are lots of things I use all the time. No problem buying a little extra.

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  Tom D

  Dec 22, 2021

  [quote]I would not wait until I needed something. As soon as I heard about the change, and I needed something from the store. If the law were set to change at 00:01, I'd be waiting in my car in the parking lot no later than 23:45. There are lots of things I use all the time. No problem buying a little extra.[/quote] Even though MO is warmer than CA, I think you would also find it chilly

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  Paul

  Dec 22, 2021

  As it is, the most I wear is t-shirt and shorts.[quote]Even though MO is warmer than CA, I think you would also find it chilly[/quote]If I'm going to be outside for an extended period of time, I do wear more clothing -- even shoes on occasion. But if I'm just going to be walking from my car to a store, the t-shirt and shorts are enough.

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  Steve

  Dec 22, 2021

  Female toplessness is already legal in New York. Do you see it in grocery stores? No. Couple of reasons: The stores themselves have rules in addition to the general law, and the women, protesters aside, would just generally rather shop than create a scene. Same for me if state and local laws in general permitted nudity. First question: Would I be welcome to be nude in this particular private venue? Second question: Is this the day I want to be the guy who's attracting attention, and possibly causing offense, by dressing out of the norm?

  Norms do change, but that change is gradual. Legal nudity might creep into being usual on beaches and in parks, then maybe on the street in certain areas, then in businesses adjacent. Too far, too fast, and there's just backlash. Witness what happened in San Francisco with nudity on crowded subway cars, cockrings outside elementary schools, that sort of aggressiveness. Or Brattleboro.

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  Paul

  Dec 22, 2021

  In Denver, women are allowed to be topless anywhere man are allowed to be topless.[quote]Female toplessness is already legal in New York. Do you see it in grocery stores? No. Couple of reasons: The stores themselves have rules in addition to the general law, and the women, protesters aside, would just generally rather shop than create a scene.[/quote]Thus, if a store requires men to wear a shirt, then women could not be topless. Private business owners have the right to establish and enforce whatever standards they so desire as long as those standards do not discriminate based on protected classes. As it stands, Walmart and Sam's do not have any policy or standard beyond the law. If you were at a Walmart in Vermont or Oregon (and were outside of the few specific cities that have enacted anti-nudity laws), then Walmart would not require you to wear clothing.

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  Tom D

  Dec 22, 2021

  Wal-Mart already has a reputation for allowing sloppy and minimal dress.
  Has anyone ever seen nude or topless female customers in Wal-Mart in locations where it is legal?

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  Tom D

  Dec 22, 2021

  [quote]In Denver, women are allowed to be topless anywhere man are allowed to be topless. Female toplessness is already legal in New York. Do you see it in grocery stores? No. Couple of reasons: The stores themselves have rules in addition to the general law, and the women, protesters aside, would just generally rather shop than create a scene. Thus, if a store requires men to wear a shirt, then women could not be topless. Private business owners have the right to establish and enforce whatever standards they so desire as long as those standards do not discriminate based on protected classes. As it stands, Walmart and Sam's do not have any policy or standard beyond the law. If you were at a Walmart in Vermont or Oregon (and were outside of the few specific cities that have enacted anti-nudity laws), then Walmart would not require you to wear clothing.[/quote] I believe that you are planning on moving to Oregon. Are you planning to shop nude in stores that have no policy against it?

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  Paul

  Dec 22, 2021

  Yes.[quote]I believe that you are planning on moving to Oregon. Are you planning to shop nude in stores that have no policy against it?[/quote]If I can manage, the plan is to live nude -- including shopping, getting a driver's license, buying stamps at the post office, dinning out, going to the doctor, etc.

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  John

  Dec 22, 2021

  nudeyooper wrote: Super Nudist[quote] The laughable part of this is that the bikini that consists of three small triangles of cloth held together by some string can be legal where nude is not. So the next question is where tops are not required, as on beaches and in parks, why are we still seeing three small triangles of cloth?[/quote] Because people have different standards about what they choose to wear, and some women choose to conceal their nipple area. I know a woman who had breast cancer and, while they gave her a prosthetic breast, she chose not to do a nipple reconstruction. I imagine she might have qualms about exposing her entire breast. That said, it may just be a fashion statement. Sometimes one can make a body part more erotic by hiding it. Since we nudists don't strip for purposes of arousing people, it's not an issue for us. But we're not like everybody else.

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  Tom D

  Dec 22, 2021

  [quote]Yes. I believe that you are planning on moving to Oregon.Are you planning to shop nude in stores that have no policy against it? If I can manage, the plan is to live nude -- including shopping, getting a driver's license, buying stamps at the post office, dinning out, going to the doctor, etc.[/quote] I suspect that it will take a while for you to determine which places permit nudity and which do not. Do you have a time frame for your move?

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  Paul

  Dec 22, 2021

  Spring/summer of 2022.[quote]Do you have a time frame for your move?[/quote]

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  Tom D

  Dec 23, 2021

  [quote]Spring/summer of 2022. Do you have a time frame for your move?[/quote] That will give you several months of warm weather for more or less continuous nudity before you have to wear clothing because of the temperature.

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  Tom D

  Dec 23, 2021

  [quote]In Denver, women are allowed to be topless anywhere man are allowed to be topless. Female toplessness is already legal in New York. Do you see it in grocery stores? No. Couple of reasons: The stores themselves have rules in addition to the general law, and the women, protesters aside, would just generally rather shop than create a scene. Thus, if a store requires men to wear a shirt, then women could not be topless. Private business owners have the right to establish and enforce whatever standards they so desire as long as those standards do not discriminate based on protected classes. As it stands, Walmart and Sam's do not have any policy or standard beyond the law. If you were at a Walmart in Vermont or Oregon (and were outside of the few specific cities that have enacted anti-nudity laws), then Walmart would not require you to wear clothing.[/quote] Could anyone from the Denver area comment if there are many women who are topless in public areas? I know in NY toplessness is legal in most public places. but very few women are.

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  Steve

  Dec 23, 2021

  By Gordy57 [quote]A older (50 ish) lady with a very deep V front blouse had a nipple out for everyone to see ;-0[/quote] Oi! I resemble that remark! (At least in terms of laps of the sun... :-D ) Was the vibe unkempt, provocative, or don't care? I imagine for that age, all possibilities may be in play.

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  Steve

  Dec 23, 2021

  The most daring I can recall seeing is a woman in a small thong bikini (with top on) in a take-away shop close to a surburban beach. Not illegal in Victoria as I understand it, but notable for it not being common. No one seemed to mind.

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  Brad

  Dec 23, 2021

  I don't think I would in a grocery store, they have their own rules and health codes to worry about. If it was common place so many people could enjoy it, yes I would join in at a park or anywhere it is fitting to do so.

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  Steve

  Dec 23, 2021

  I have been asked by Walmart staff to wear a shirt (next time, they didn't kick me out). The floorwalker said they "prefer" it.

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  Paul

  Dec 23, 2021

  I'm a barefooter -- so I'm barefoot even when I'm not nude.[quote]Grocery stores are kept colder due to fresh meats, dairy, frozen foods, and fresh fruits and vegetables. In addition, it is not unusual for glass containers to break and difficult to get all of the glass up. I think I would want to wear something in the cold place and definitely shoes.[/quote]This includes grocery stores. I hear the "glass all over the floor" thing all the time. Although I'm sure it must happen at some point, I've only once seen glass on the floor of a grocery store. The jar and contents were still there -- hadn't been cleaned up yet. I'm VERY temperature tolerant. I'm almost always the last person to comment on how hot or cold it is -- I've never noticed that grocery stores are cooler than other stores. They may well be; I've just never noticed.

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  Paul

  Dec 23, 2021

  Official Walmart policy says no such thing. There is no preference beyond upholding the law. [quote]I have been asked by Walmart staff to wear a shirt (next time, they didn't kick me out). The floorwalker said they "prefer" it.[/quote] If it's legal to be shirtless, Walmart officially doesn't care. [url][link]/link/dcc8e8185534710a/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucGVvcGxlb2Z3YWxtYXJ0LmNvbQ%3D%3D[/link]Walmart Shoppers[/url]

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  Tom D

  Dec 23, 2021

  I've been told to leave 2 convenience store and home depot. Wouldn't even let me buy what I already had when I got to the checkout counter. On a more positive note, several other convenience stores and a produce stand were OK with me shopping shirtless.

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  Gordy57

  Dec 23, 2021

  [quote]By Gordy57 A older (50 ish) lady with a very deep V front blouse had a nipple out for everyone to see ;-0 Oi! I resemble that remark! (At least in terms of laps of the sun... :-D ) Was the vibe unkempt, provocative, or don't care? I imagine for that age, all possibilities may be in play.[/quote] Not real sure. I said "Excuse me mam I am not sure how to say this, and I am not complaining. But I think maybe you are showing a little more than you intended to". Then I moved my hand over my right tit. She looked down at herself, then looked up at me with "The evil eye" and tugged the blouse over the nipple and stormed off without saying a word. Others in Walmart had to have noticed because her areola was about 2.5" diameter and darker brown. Kind of like a beacon against the milky white skin ;-)

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  Gordy57

  Dec 23, 2021

  [quote]I've been told to leave 2 convenience store and home depot. Wouldn't even let me buy what I already had when I got to the checkout counter. On a more positive note, several other convenience stores and a produce stand were OK with me shopping shirtless.[/quote]
  
  The cashier in one convenience store could have just as well been topless. She had a button up shirt, with a button above and one below the breast, the overlap of the shirt was wide open (no bra) with a perfect view of the whole A cupped cutie ;-) The cash register was positioned so that the cashier was sideways to the customers.

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  Tom D

  Dec 24, 2021

  [quote]Yes. I believe that you are planning on moving to Oregon.Are you planning to shop nude in stores that have no policy against it? If I can manage, the plan is to live nude -- including shopping, getting a driver's license, buying stamps at the post office, dinning out, going to the doctor, etc.[/quote] Someone on another board posted that after he retired, he moved to the Canary Islands and found that there were enough shops, taverns and Cafs that permitted nudity that he didn't have to dress for these activities. He did have to wear something for some government interactions and meeting people at the airport. For these occasions, he wore a kilt. The last time he posted, he hadn't worn pants or shorts in over two years and had gotten rid of all but one of each.

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  Paul

  Dec 24, 2021

  Could be that they're thinking about repercussions.[quote]I've been told to leave 2 convenience store and home depot. Wouldn't even let me buy what I already had when I got to the checkout counter. On a more positive note, several other convenience stores and a produce stand were OK with me shopping shirtless.[/quote]If they allow men to shop topless, they may be required to allow women to shop topless -- or face sexual discrimination charges.

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