Truenudists goes the Freemium Route.

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• JA

  

  Jacob078

  Jul 15, 2009

  Hi tt1. Found this online. Hope it helps. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=216838

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Well, I was already donating $5 month as I know a site like this costs money to maintain, so the rate fits almost exactly what I was already prepared to pay. My only problem is with the new layout and some issues to do with how fast my on-line and cht-room presence status shows up. There seems to be some slack in the system and I see friends on-line that I know left hours before and are most unlikely to be on-line. The New film-strip method for displaying your friends' pics is better than the old one but I think I detect some errors in the Gallery section where it doesn't in fact seem to be possible to search for specific nudists by name even though that seems to be implied. Onwards and upwards! I applaud your efforts to provide a service without going broke personally.
  FG

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• FE

  

  fettler

  Jul 15, 2009

  [quote] To recap, the chatroom, forum, profiles etc will all stay free to view, the only limit on the site is the number of gallery and user pictures you can view (top 5).   [/quote] Personally I think it would be better to limit the chatroom as a paid feature and perhaps the number of non-friend profiles that can be looked at in a day. That might help discourage certain types of people.

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• FE

  

  fettler

  Jul 15, 2009

  ok, a couple of small points...

  1. AlertPay will only accept visa or amex... a bit of an issue as I wanted to pay with a mastercard...
  2. If only the top 5 images are displayed we need a way of reordering the images or perhaps selecting the 5 we want displayed
  I have nothing against supporting this site financially, $5 is hardly a mind blowing sum for what we get.

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• AN

  

  Andrew

  Jul 15, 2009

  Quoting the bulletin from TeamTrue1: "Well as of last week our paypal
  account for donations was cancelled by paypal because our site as
  deemed "adult" or "inappropriate"."
  Sad to hear again that yet another Internet services company gets too
  nervous when nude bodies are involved. Too many seem to lack the
  ability to see the differences between a serious site like TN and
  "adult" sites.
  I agree to the points from Fettler, would be much better to put the limits on the Chatroom and leave access to the photos unlimited at least for certified members.
  And for us using MasterCard, the biggest card system apart from Visa, at least outside US, we can't give our contributions even if we wanted. That payment system is not good enough.
  And the homepage of TN must be changed, for the moment stating "Signup Today! 100% Free No Payments Ever"

  /Andy

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• PH

  

  Philfreeeuk

  Jul 15, 2009

  Still trying to fully understand what all this actually means. Initially disappointed that the 100% free is no longer true. I know it's a nominal fee, but it's the principal. It seems a real shame.   Not that fussed about the gallery, hardly ever went there anyway. Don't think I like the new pic format, it's not working anyway for me at the moment, I can get the first pic to come up, it'll show the comments for the others, but won't load the pics.   fettler I assume the way to reorder your pics would be to delete the ones you want to be in the top 5, and then upload them again as it seems to be the last ones to be added that are shown.   I guess it will be less attractive to the pervs, so that's a good thing.   Assuming those that were donating will sign up to Alertpay, and continue to do so, ( and they believe in supporting the site, so I think they will) I don't see why there need be any changes.   I would have thought that it is a good opportunity to "clean up" the chat, room (sounds like it needs it) by making a charge there, I think most who are into chat would be prepared to pay a small fee.   There was another comment here earlier that seems to have gone, can't remember who it was, but they must have deleted their profile. Something about the morality of trunudists, paying to view pics of naked people? that struck a chord, anyone remember the rest of it?   Agree with Andy too, seems to me that someone should be mounting a big campaign to get pay pal to differentiate between naturists and porn.   So right now, might be some good come out of it, but still feeling rather disappointed.

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• LO

  

  Louis33705

  Jul 15, 2009

  I too have been a monthly contributor.  It is disappointing to see the new service will not accept Mastercard.  That is the only one I use.  Are you planning to address this issue?

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• TH

  

  Thomas

  Jul 15, 2009

  I have been donating every months for a long time, now suddenly even though I donated at first of month I am being asked to pay again,  It is the principle of the matter.
  Will the pictures I have set to friends or trunenudist only still be only visable as designated?
  Will being a paying member mean that the popup adds that keep booting me from chat because they contain viruses be eliminated?

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Hmmm okay, heres my problem! I have became a member as it is free and the fact that it is supposed to be secure. I have on a number of occasions come across "fake" accounts and the people and yes i put people as there are both men and women have no photos on their accounts and the information is very limited. People put they are single when they are clearly married even though there is an option to put "married but looking" on there. So they clearly are after one thing!!!
  Perhaps TN needs to address this and therefore will reduce the number of "real" nudists on leaving due to the continuely trolling of people to get people to "flash" or "stand up" or the classic is "why are you dressed?" Sorry but doesn't mean you have to be nude ALL the time as people have made such good friends on here that they come online even when they are at work!!!
  But i do agree with some people that even though they do have cards to make a small donation their cards aren't recognised so what happens then?? They're penalised for having the wrong card??? Hmmm come on tt1!!
  I am sure that if you ask for suggestions on bringing more ideas on raising funds for the site, loads of people will come forward!!
  
  So are you going to do something???
  
  I hope so
  
  Sarah xxx

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• SW

  Swifthawk

  Jul 15, 2009

  Shit, that sucks, but understandable.  You gotta do what you gotta do, right?  I'll have to look at this in more detail when I get home from work.  Unfortuantely, I cannot afford to pay to post here, so I'll have to look at what I can and cannot do with a free account (haven't looked into it yet, don't have time. lol) and decide from there if I'm still going to be here.

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• SW

  Swifthawk

  Jul 15, 2009

  It's only $45USD/yr?  That's not too bad really, but do you HAVE to have a credit card?  I'd happily pay it, but I have no credit card, is there any other options availiable?

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Personally, I really dislike the idea of having to pay, or others having to pay to see my photos. My photos are not for sale!
  I have my pics set up so only friends and certified members can see them, now they will only be visible to certified members who pay?
  My photos are posted for the enjoyment of members, not for members who can afford it!

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• SW

  Swifthawk

  Jul 15, 2009

  I honestly cannot believe some of the response I've seen here!  People are balking at a minimal fee and (from what I can see) the ONLY limitation people who don't pay for the site is limited picture views.  WTF is wrong with you people???  The free users have WAY more access to this site than other websites out there that charge a helluva lot more than TN charges to use their site.
  
  
  This site was started by a private individual who was sick and tired of nudist sites turning into porn factories and he wanted to keep this site free.  Unfortuantely, with growth of the site comes extra costs that he can't cover.  Is it really wrong for him to want to keep this site running at a minimal cost to himself and the users?  Certainly not.  All you people threatenting to leave in anger over this change, please LEAVE, don't need your negativity here.  I dare you to find a more smutfree nudist site out there.  Chances are you won't find it.

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• CR

  

  crewdude

  Jul 15, 2009

  I don't mind paying, the reasonable fee; however, i only have a Master Card. Buy using a payment system that only supports Visa or Amex, you are cutting out a huge percentage of users.  Did you ever look at the google checkout ?  https://checkout.google.com/ ?

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Amkolix, maybe site admin can no longer afford to support freeloading nudists!
  
  For crying out load everyone, take a chill pill. If you can't afford to pay the minimal fee, so what?  Your ONLY limitation at this point is that you can only see 5 pics on any given persons profile and the gallery (who looks at that anyway?) Oh, unless of course, your only reason for being on this site is to look at pictures!
  
  Swifty, thank you so much for what you posted.  You've saved me a lot of typing.  Couldn't agree with you more.
  
  TT1 - We really appreciate this site and what you do to try to keep it as real as possible.  We appreciate the time constraints and financial constraits you have faced with the major growth spurt the site took over the winter and is continuing to take.  We appreciate the people we've met here on this site and IRL through this site.  We appreciate all the different features your site has to offer. We want to thank you for giving us (the cuddlebuttons) a free ride for the last 10 months.
  
  We hope to see continued improvements to the site that will occur once you are no longer footing the bill on your own, i.e. a pop-up/virus free chatroom, chatroom moderators, more docks, speedier removal of fake profiles, the locations page FINALLY including destinations outside of the US, etc.  We've been meaning to make a donation for a long time (but somehow or another never got around to it). Now we are paid members.  Sorry it took this long to help support the site!
  
  TT1 - another way for you to save on the bandwidth needed to run a site that's grown this much is to remove the profiles of people who haven't signed in over a certain period of time...Just checked and if you go back 9 months there are roughly 825 profiles tha twould be deleted, if you go back 6 months that number more than doubles.  If someone hasn't logged in in over 6 months, chances are good they're not going to.
  
  Come on, everyone, get real...you didn't see this coming eventually?  You really expected one person to foot the bill for this site as it continued to grow and grow? As far as all those other "free" sites out there, they're not free, they are paid for by advertising.  Anyone here with a business (other than Terra Cotta and Desert Sun) ever bother to purchase a monthly ad here?  In today's market the rates are pretty damn reasonable!
  
  Jen (lol, Swifty, sorry, I guess even though you said it all for me, I still had to put my 2 cents in)

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Oh i haven't got a problem with paying although i don't have a card to pay, is there any other way? But what i don't want is to pay for something that when i go into chat i have men wanting me to flash!! So a little tighter security, perthaps some admins in there and i will be a happy bunny.
  I don't want to lose the friends that i have made in tn
  
  Sarah x

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• TI

  

  Timo2009

  Jul 15, 2009

  Hi, I don't have or use credit cards. What am I supposed to do?

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• UK

  

  UKrudegirl

  Jul 15, 2009

  The decision of TN to go 'paysite' (something of a misnomer) is not the issue for me, money is an irrelevance - what did for me was to log in and find my own material, which had been posted on the understanding it would be free for others to view, behind a commercial screen without any warning notification.  Whilst I have no problem with anyone turning an honest coin nor seeking renumeration for their labour - if their stratagy is going to involve me (or my image) I would consider it good manners to, at the very least, ask first even if only by way of a general notice before the event.Now - if I have got this right - the chatroom, forum, profiles etc will all stay free to view, the only limit on the site isthe number of gallery and user pictures one can view (top 5). So, for all the trumpeting of high ideals, disparaging remarks about 'porn' and 'sex' etc., True Nudists will now be, to all intents and purposes, selling nude pictures of it's members in order to support itself?   Forgive me - I'm having a tiny bit of trouble squaring that one in my head because no matter which way I turn it it still looks the same.   The irony is palpable.Rudie x

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• AN

  

  Andrew

  Jul 15, 2009

  [quote]Quoting Swifthawk in #26: I honestly cannot believe some of the response I've seen here!  People are balking at a minimal fee and (from what I can see) the ONLY limitation people who don't pay for the site is limited picture views.  WTF is wrong with you people???  The free users have WAY more access to this site than other websites out there that charge a helluva lot more than TN charges to use their site.     This site was started by a private individual who was sick and tired of nudist sites turning into porn factories and he wanted to keep this site free.  Unfortuantely, with growth of the site comes extra costs that he can't cover.  Is it really wrong for him to want to keep this site running at a minimal cost to himself and the users?  Certainly not.  All you people threatenting to leave in anger over this change, please LEAVE, don't need your negativity here.  I dare you to find a more smutfree nudist site out there.  Chances are you won't find it.[/quote]    --- Well, well, take it easy here, the views differ and the discussion must be free and open regarding the big changes launched! At the homepage of TN there's still the text "Signup today, 100% Free, No Payments Ever" (still at 11.45 PM Wester European time, July 15th). And then today this changes radically, without any warning or any appeal to the members to give an extra support voluntarily. 45 USD might be a"minimal" fee for Swifthawk, but not for me and many others. And even if I'm prepared to pay something I can't since the payment system accepts only Visa and Amex. I have neither. Like many others I use MasterCard. The two world leading cards are Visa and MasterCard. But for paying true nudists MasterCard is no option!? I agree with those arguing for removing the limitations regarding each members photo collection. I want to choose myself what photos to be availabe for all, or for True Nudists and/or for Friends. I don't want my friends to pay for checking my photo collection. As others have stated - the changes made is a way to make people pay for my photos, but not to me! Reduce or delete the Gallery instead, that's a low priority part of the site. Same goes for "Locations", which is of no use for all outside US. I've sent proposals several times, in many ways, regarding adding places in Europe and elsewhere, but have so far not got any reaction or answer. My first proposals regarding "Locations" was added in the Forum some six months ago, in addition to sending messages. The chat function could be an option to pay separate for. Seems like the changes have been made in panic, causing a lot of protests and disappointment. "Nude and free" is now "Nude - if you pay".And all this because the previous payment distributor "suddenly" discovered that this nudists site had nude people on display. OMG!

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 15, 2009

  Thanks Rudie and Andy for your viewpoints on limiting the pics.  Gives me a completely different perspective. Phew, I am sooo glad I'm not TT1. And yes, Rudie, would have been nice for some notification.  Might have lit the fire under us to donate like we've been saying we would for months now, but just never got around to doing it. (and probably many others as well).
  
  I agree, Andy (and a few others) get rid of the gallery, It's not necessary and at least half the pics on there were lifted from other sites anyway. Get rid of the profiles of people who haven't logged in in say 6 months.  Will save lots of bandwidth.
  
  Okay, everyone, insteading of complaining, how about some viable solutions for TT1?  Before he throws his hands in the air and says "forget it" and shuts down the site altogether.  Or. lol, just ignores us all and does what he damn well pleases with the site.  Big world out there on the internet, for each person who leaves, there are plenty of others willing to join for free with the limited restrictions TT1 has put in place or pay the nominal fee.
  
  Jen
  
  p.s. Thank you MagicHandsJohn or whoever fixed the thread.

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• SW

  Swifthawk

  Jul 15, 2009

  [quote][quote]Quoting Swifthawk: I honestly cannot believe some of the response I've seen here!  People are balking at a minimal fee and (from what I can see) the ONLY limitation people who don't pay for the site is limited picture views.  WTF is wrong with you people???  The free users have WAY more access to this site than other websites out there that charge a helluva lot more than TN charges to use their site.     This site was started by a private individual who was sick and tired of nudist sites turning into porn factories and he wanted to keep this site free.  Unfortuantely, with growth of the site comes extra costs that he can't cover.  Is it really wrong for him to want to keep this site running at a minimal cost to himself and the users?  Certainly not.  All you people threatenting to leave in anger over this change, please LEAVE, don't need your negativity here.  I dare you to find a more smutfree nudist site out there.  Chances are you won't find it.[/quote]     --- Well, well, take it easy here, the views differ and the discussion must be free and open regarding the big changes launched! At the homepage of TN there's still the text "Signup today, 100% Free, No Payments Ever" (still at 11.45 PM Wester European time, July 15th). And then today this changes radically, without any warning or any appeal to the members to give an extra support voluntarily. 45 USD might be a"minimal" fee for Swifthawk, but not for me and many others. And even if I'm prepared to pay something I can't since the payment system accepts only Visa and Amex. I have neither. Like many others I use MasterCard. The two world leading cards are Visa and MasterCard. But for paying true nudists MasterCard is no option!? I agree with those arguing for removing the limitations regarding each members photo collection. I want to choose myself what photos to be availabe for all, or for True Nudists and/or for Friends. I don't want my friends to pay for checking my photo collection. As others have stated - the changes made is a way to make people pay for my photos, but not to me! Reduce or delete the Gallery instead, that's a low priority part of the site. Same goes for "Locations", which is of no use for all outside US. I've sent proposals several times, in many ways, regarding adding places in Europe and elsewhere, but have so far not got any reaction or answer. My first proposals regarding "Locations" was added in the Forum some six months ago, in addition to sending messages. The chat function could be an option to pay separate for. Seems like the changes have been made in panic, causing a lot of protests and disappointment. "Nude and free" is now "Nude - if you pay".And all this because the previous payment distributor "suddenly" discovered that this nudists site had nude people on display. OMG![/quote]   Hehe...Forgive me for being so harsh Andy, but I'm sick and tired of people coming here bitching about this site (if you take a look at the people really complaining about it, they've been here for a month or so).  If you don't like it, leave.  There are PLENTY of other options out there and quite frankly I'll be happy to see them go.  There is enough negativity out there in the world and I don't need to come here to see it when I'm wanting to have a good time.   As far as the money is concerned, that's $45USD/yr, not a month, not a day, a year.  All things considered, that's not a whole whack of money, but you're right, that could be a lot of money to some (hell even me lol).  However, if you can't afford it, what are you loosing out on?  Really?  You can only see 5 profile pic's on a profile?  I'm sorry, but all things considered that's pretty damn minor and if people are going to get their panties in a twist over it...again, go somewhere else.  There's a lot of other free sites out there that you can view loads of nude people on them, if that's what you really want.  Besides, would you people who are so upset about this prefer that TN go the normal route for pay sites?  Not allow people to message people, chat, view profiles unless you pay for it?  Is that what you would prefer?  From the sounds of it, that would be the only other alternative and quite frankly, as I don't have a credit card I sure as hell wouldn't want that.   I've also seen several people saying I should be able to let whoever I want to view my pics and not charge them a premium for it.  While I can understand where you are coming from to a degree, but really is it THAT bad?  If it's that important to you, e-mail the pics to your friends.  I'm sorry, but I just don't get where you guys are coming from there.   The bottom line is this.  The way I see it TN has 3 options.  1. Do as they are doing now.  2. Charge a fee to use the site, but not allow users to use the chat, forums, or messaging system, just like other pay sites out there.  or 3. Shut the site down, as it's obviously too much for him to deal with.  Which would you guys/gals rather have?   *edit*  I would like to add though, I do agree with people who don't like how this has been done, I don't either.  A little notification would've been nice, I do think that we deserve that much.  Maybe a week?  I don't know, but the way he's done it wasn't very good at all.  That said though, it is what it is, either accept it or don't.  lol...I know the banners haven't been done yet and it still says 100% free, but I think some people are being a bit nitpicky there.  lol...Shit, it just happend for crying out loud.

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• AN

  

  Andrew

  Jul 15, 2009

  If the limit to five photos will be permanent - why have more than five photos posted?? All those great collections of photos that many have on display has been one of the best parts of the sites, apart from the Forum. When others have many photos, it has been a challenge and inspiration to post more yourself, in order to make TN more and more valuable for the members. A site where we share the joy of activites of all kinds nude. Sunbathing of course, but also sports, driving, gardening, kitchen work and gatherings. My friend "Andybr" is for me the best example, with all his photos from the nudist club activities in Brazil. Sad to see these advantages of the site disappearing just like that - poff!- The comments made shows, not surprisingly, that we use the site in different ways and make different priorities. But so far few, if anyone, have come to rescue the Gallery. Reduce or delete it. It's a lot of pics there that can be found somewhere else at Internet. But the photos we post here at our own profile pages, at least the certified ones, they are personal and real.

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• SW

  Swifthawk

  Jul 15, 2009

  [quote]Thanks Rudie and Andy for your viewpoints on limiting the pics.  Gives me a completely different perspective. Phew, I am sooo glad I'm not TT1. And yes, Rudie, would have been nice for some notification.  Might have lit the fire under us to donate like we've been saying we would for months now, but just never got around to doing it. (and probably many others as well).   I agree, Andy (and a few others) get rid of the gallery, It's not necessary and at least half the pics on there were lifted from other sites anyway. Get rid of the profiles of people who haven't logged in in say 6 months.  Will save lots of bandwidth.   Okay, everyone, insteading of complaining, how about some viable solutions for TT1?  Before he throws his hands in the air and says "forget it" and shuts down the site altogether.  Or. lol, just ignores us all and does what he damn well pleases with the site.  Big world out there on the internet, for each person who leaves, there are plenty of others willing to join for free with the limited restrictions TT1 has put in place or pay the nominal fee.   Jen   p.s. Thank you MagicHandsJohn or whoever fixed the thread.[/quote]    I agree with you there, Cuddle.  If you are going to complain, offer a solution, not just complain.  That drives me absolutely nuts. lol

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• AN

  

  Andrew

  Jul 15, 2009

  Yeah, Swifthawk, solutions offered: # 1: Delete the Gallery # 2: Ask all members here (for the moment 15 344 true nudists registered) to give a supporting fee in this financially heavy moment for the person running the site. Let's say at least 10 000 of the members give at least 5 USD, that sums up to a substantial development fund. But then a different payment service is needed, making it possible to pay by phone, by several different cards and in other ways possible. - If these actions don't give sufficient effect, let's talk again. Challenge the members to come up with more proposals.

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