A way around the law. US

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Nov 4, 2013

  Prisons are full of people who thought they found "A way around the law. US"

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  sunnmaxx

  Feb 24, 2014

  Instead of a reliegin we simply need to get more nudists into congress and senate so we can get some laws passed to legalize nudity in certain places. then it would be a snowball effect as more people would understand it.
  

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  DesertRat

  Feb 24, 2014

  When you think about it, it's odd that nudism isn't more widely practiced. When the government declares something illegal then its popularity grows by leaps and bounds. Why hasn't the same thing happened to nudism?

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  Member

  Feb 24, 2014

  [quote]Instead of a reliegin we simply need to get more nudists into congress and senate so we can get some laws passed to legalize nudity in certain places. then it would be a snowball effect as more people would understand it.
  [/quote]Or more libertarians.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Feb 25, 2014

  [quote]Instead of a reliegin we simply need to get more nudists into congress and senate so we can get some laws passed to legalize nudity in certain places. then it would be a snowball effect as more people would understand it.
  [/quote]They wouldn't dare admit they are nudists.

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  liv3nud3

  Jun 1, 2014

  So just checked in for the very first time on this group. it was interesting to me how the original suggestion about creating a religion of nudism might be a way around the current law.
  To me, the important point was that someone was thinking about being creative in solving the legal problems of nudists in a way that could be supported ultimately through states and/or US Supreme Court decisions.
  Hey, I don't like the idea of another religion either. But unlike some readers, I wasn't getting overrun by my emotional reaction to the writer's proposal. What I remembered was this: I remembered that I asked my friend, a Universal Life minister (purchased through the mail) to perform my first wedding ceremony and it was legal. That in't a religion of conviction as we normally think of religion. It is a religion of convenience.
  But as I read down through the comments, and I consider how many hot button issues are wrapped in the concept, I could see how this approach could be very difficult to advance, no matter its merits.
  At least within this forum.
  One of the writers (I admit, I didn't read every one) seemed to suggest that this was undermining efforts to change the law through the legislative process. It does not seem to me that the two aren't necessarily competing and could be worked on separate paths.
  Even so, i do not think that we should limit ourselves to status quo approaches. We need to be creative.
  Anyone interested in pursuing this line of discussion?

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  macnude

  Jun 1, 2014

  Why is it that we have an endless discussion on how to circumvent the Law when there is a petition which would give nudists more rights and it only has 102 signatures.https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/designate-portions-public-lands-under-management-federal-government-clothing-optional-recreational/rMR1wcCd
  

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  DesertRat

  Jun 1, 2014

  Maybe its because Canadians can't sign that petition but they can bloviate here.

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jun 1, 2014

  Bloviate - Great word. Love it. Very apt.
  

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  macnude

  Jun 2, 2014

  Bloviate. Truly a great word. I'm afraid, though, thatbloviatingis not limited to the Canadians or we would have many more signatures on the petition.https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/designate-portions-public-lands-under-management-federal-government-clothing-optional-recreational/rMR1wcCd
  
  

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  Allison123

  Jul 13, 2014

  [quote]So I have been rolling something around in my head that I want to throw out there. First let me tell you all about me (Tim). Marine for 8 years. I think very logical and something that really tweaks me is when people use things the wrong way. For example, clothes are meant to protect you. From the sun, dangers at work an so on. At least that is how I see it.
  Enough about me. So my idea about getting around the law is to create a religion, I do not know a whole lot about how to do it but I have googled it and found it may actually be pretty easy. Something as simple and worshipping the Christian god but believing that god wanted to us to be nude rather they eat from the tree of knowledge and cover our selves. If I understand my rights, and I may very well not. Would then freedom of religion give us the right to be nude anywhere?
  Also just a side note, I think that nude protests about things other then nudist rights is offensive.[/quote]Ok, there was way too much junk not related to your post to read. But I think you are right. If we could start up a religion and say we have to be nude because of it, then in the US I would think they wouldn't be able to stop you. But I think there would be way too many complaints, and way too many legal issues to actually do it.
  

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  Steve

  Jul 13, 2014

  There already is such a religion -modern Witchcraft / neopaganizmwith a very low bar to entry. Wicca is an "official" religion in the US, to the extent that the US has such a thing - a service member can register as a Wiccan, be buried as such, and request chaplain services in accordance with the tradition. Wiccan rituals are frequently performed "slyclad." Might make a better test case than a newly-established Christian-ish sect.
  
  Nonetheless, there's plenty of room for a Christian group's adopting nudism, in the mostly-protestant concept of "justification" - a kind of conversion experience that leaves one free of original sin. Since it was original sin that led, in Genesis, to the "ashamed of their nakedness" transition in the human condition, I suppose nudity could be taken as a manifestation of the justified state, and collective nudity as a religious celebration.
  

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  Dan

  Aug 21, 2014

  I did not get to read all of the posts, But could someone tell me if religion is the answer. Then for health reasons I vote to worship the SUN with my whole body naked so it can take in more of the suns vitamins. The Sun is my God. It supplies me with nutrients to sustain life. Either from the suns rays to our naked bodies, or to provide photosynthesis that plants need to grow and provide nutrition for our food. I am sure Native American Indians had the Sun as one of their Gods.
  If someone has already addressed this issue please advise me so I can read it. Thanks
  
  

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  Tony0hh

  Jan 17, 2015

  OK Yeah Great idea.
  If it can work for Rastafarians and the
  Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monsterthen it can work for us !I'm just ignoring all that off topic political stuff.
  Religions are World Wide not just for the USA so let's get with this.
  
  Suggestions for
  Name
  Deity
  Belief StructureI like the idea of being based on Christianity because it gives a good "believable" basisThere are many Variations of Christianity based on differing interpretations of the bible. eg Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons etc etc
  

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  Hawk

  Jan 18, 2015

  [quote]So I have been rolling something around in my head that I want to throw out there. First let me tell you all about me (Tim). Marine for 8 years. I think very logical and something that really tweaks me is when people use things the wrong way. For example, clothes are meant to protect you. From the sun, dangers at work an so on. At least that is how I see it.
  Enough about me. So my idea about getting around the law is to create a religion, I do not know a whole lot about how to do it but I have googled it and found it may actually be pretty easy. Something as simple and worshipping the Christian god but believing that god wanted to us to be nude rather they eat from the tree of knowledge and cover our selves. If I understand my rights, and I may very well not. Would then freedom of religion give us the right to be nude anywhere?
  Also just a side note, I think that nude protests about things other then nudist rights is offensive.[/quote]NUT CASE LOL :P
  

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  Tom === Thomas S. Tierney

  Jan 18, 2015

  [quote][quote]So I have been rolling something around in my head that I want to throw out there. First let me tell you all about me (Tim). Marine for 8 years. I think very logical and something that really tweaks me is when people use things the wrong way. For example, clothes are meant to protect you. From the sun, dangers at work an so on. At least that is how I see it.
  Enough about me. So my idea about getting around the law is to create a religion, I do not know a whole lot about how to do it but I have googled it and found it may actually be pretty easy. Something as simple and worshipping the Christian god but believing that god wanted to us to be nude rather they eat from the tree of knowledge and cover our selves. If I understand my rights, and I may very well not. Would then freedom of religion give us the right to be nude anywhere?
  Also just a side note, I think that nude protests about things other then nudist rights is offensive.[/quote]NUT CASE LOL :P
  [/quote]Yup, and hasn't posted here in two years
  

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• ME

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  Mar 16, 2015

  You can certainly have a church where people attend naked, or can have gatherings under the appropriate permits, but to be able to go naked anywhere on your own as an adherence to your faith would be a tough sell. There is already precedence for the state to deny your rights. For example, many states require Muslim women to remove their head coverings to get a driver license photo. The issue would have to be tested, you get arrested, go through a trial, appeal...and so on.
  Personally, I believe all laws against nudity are unconstitutional on the basis that being nude harms no one, does not deny others the right to life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, and does deny it for the nudist. I wish it could be tested someday, but I doubt anyone would take it seriously enough.

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  sunnmaxx

  Mar 24, 2015

  
  Over 30 years ago there was a "Nude Church" in Ames, IA home to ISU.  They had weekly nude worships.  I have not been able to find any references to it since.
  

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