Nudists - Asexual Eunuchs? — Sex and Sexuality on True Nudists

macnudeOriginal Poster

Jun 18, 2010

Asexual EunuchsIs that the image that we wish to convey? We encounter sexuality in some form or other constantly in our daily lives. Turning on the TV, we find it in the commercials, the carefully made up weather lady, the situation comedies and elsewhere. At the grocery store, we will, on occasion, spot a member of the opposite sex which we find attractive and warrants a second look. What male has not encountered a waitress who flirts a little bit to build the tip? We consider this to be normal and a pleasurable part of our lives. There are those that would preach from the cyber pulpit that there is no sexuality in nudism. It defies logic that the removal of ones clothing instantly transforms one with a healthy libido to a sexless creature. Perhaps, they are confusing higher standards of decorum among nudists with a lack of sexuality. While, true, that the removal of one’s clothing eliminates the mystic, attraction does not magically disappear. the people we find attractive clothed ,we are likely to find attractive, nude. Those who claim there is no sexuality in nudism counter the image that most would like the general public to hold. That: We arenormalpeople from all walks of life who find no shame in being unclothed in the presence of either sex..

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Gerry-4
Jun 18, 2010
There is sexuality in almost EVERYTHING we do. We are NOT asexual. But we know how to behave according to the circumstances. It's as simple as that.

In a situation where nudity is commonplace, we simply behave according to the social contract in force. If it's a nudist setting, the rules of nudism apply. Otherwise, the group can agree upon whatever they want.

But to be asexual? Perish the thought!
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Member
Jun 18, 2010
I have to agree with you and Betsy01 that sexuality is an ingrained part of our lives and is a factor in our live's activities. The nudists I know are very sexual beings but like our clothed friends don't flaunt it anymore or any less. We don't deal with people any differently, clothed or unclothed. Attractive is attractive, If you are mature, both clothed or unclothed you know how to behave.
Peter
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njmike
Jun 18, 2010
Sexual attraction/arousal is all mental. If a woman tunrs me on, it's somewqualtiy she has that does the trick. Wheter she is clothed or unclothed is irelevant. As has been pointed out in other posts before, we humans have the abiltiy of self control. There is a time and place for everything.
Mike
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JackNeilson
Jun 23, 2010
Sexuality is an integral part of human personality and does not simply disappear with the removal of clothing. We all have different "triggers" to our sexuality whether clothed or nude and in a situation where we would not normally choose to act upon it nudity is immaterial as we simply would not act upon it. We are inundated with some form of sexuality every day through advertising, movies,
TV, suggestive clothing etc. yet we do not run around in a constant state of excitement. Why would that change in a nudist environment? However, why should our sexuality diminish simply because we choose to be nude with others of a like mind? As Macnude says we are all normal people and to deny our sexuality is to deny our normality.
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A
Jun 29, 2010
There seems to be a bit of a problem in nude community with sexuality - or how others perceive nudes. Excessive phobia that textiles associate nude resorts and events as massive orgies sounds already a bit xenophobic like "they don't like us, they demonize us". Also occasional surfacing of some sexual crime cases among supposed nudies doesn't help. The fact is that in nude community it is about sexuality pretty much the same degree as in equivalent textile community would be. Just that in social nudity there is in general no more tolerance for sexual harassment or open displays of sexual actions than among people in clothes. Instead of laudly denying things, more constructive would be to admit that there is hardly any difference in that regard between nude and textiles.
Simply pointing out that social nudity is not about sex and sexuality any more than any other social interaction which takes place in clothes should be enough. Standard rules include that no sexual actions, no masturbation nor erect male penises are tolerated - nor open sexual insinuations to strangers - that should do it for the most. Otherwise there is no need to hide that flirting, mating and other sexually related things also happen in nude environment, though people tend in general to be less rude in their pick-up attempts than in equivalent textile environment.
Nudies are no angels - there is a fair share of all kinds of characters, including exhibitionists, voyeurs and alimony evaders - just like in any other place where lots of people, whether they nude or not.
TravelNudie aka Aki
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Gerry-4
Jun 29, 2010
Part of the problem is whenever a sex crime is committed by someone who is a known nudist, the media senses the need to point out that fact. As if this was something akin to, say, a coach taking advantage of an athlete or a priest taking adavantage of parishoner.

To be fair, the media should either ignore a person's political, social or religious affiliations, or make a point of stating them in each case. Imagine something like this:

"The bank robber, who is the parish priest in Port Phony, ..."

"The speeding motorist, who works for the Justice Department, ..."

"Time has run out for N., a die-hard feminist who ..."

"Convicted murderer Sean O'Irish, well-known for his Libertarian tendencies, ..."

"Sheelagh MacShea, a Republican if there ever was one ..."

"Mayor MacCheese, an anti-abortionist drug lord, ..."

It would bring absolutely nothing important to the news story, but at least we nudists wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.
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macnudeOriginal Poster
Jun 29, 2010
[quote]Part of the problem is whenever a sex crime is committed by someone who is a known nudist, the media senses the need to point out that fact. As if this was something akin to, say, a coach taking advantage of an athlete or a priest taking adavantage of parishoner. To be fair, the media should either ignore a person's political, social or religious affiliations, or make a point of stating them in each case. Imagine something like this: "The bank robber, who is the parish priest in Port Phony, ..." "The speeding motorist, who works for the Justice Department, ..." "Time has run out for N., a die-hard feminist who ..." "Convicted murderer Sean O'Irish, well-known for his Libertarian tendencies, ..." "Sheelagh MacShea, a Republican if there ever was one ..." "Mayor MacCheese, a anti-abortionist drug lord, ..." It would bring absolutely nothing important to the news story, but at least we nudists wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.[/quote] Gerry, I could not agree more. Even more perplexing is when any nude person is charged with an offense, they are linked to nudism if only by inference. In many cases, random naked guy, would be a more accurate description. Also on this topic, here in the States, I have noticed throughout the years, story headings such as, “Ex-Marine Charged in Shooting”.Had their military history been Coast Guard or Air Force, it would not have been mentioned
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Gerry-4
Jun 29, 2010
[quote]There seems to be a bit of a problem in nude community with sexuality - or how others perceive nudes. Excessive phobia that textiles associate nude resorts and events as massive orgies sounds already a bit xenophobic like "they don't like us, they demonize us". Also occasional surfacing of some sexual crime cases among supposed nudies doesn't help. The fact is that in nude community it is about sexuality pretty much the same degree as in equivalent textile community would be. Just that in social nudity there is in general no more tolerance for sexual harassment or open displays of sexual actions than among people in clothes. Instead of laudly denying things, more constructive would be to admit that there is hardly any difference in that regard between nude and textiles. Simply pointing out that social nudity is not about sex and sexuality any more than any other social interaction which takes place in clothes should be enough. Standard rules include that no sexual actions, no masturbation nor erect male penises are tolerated - nor open sexual insinuations to strangers - that should do it for the most. Otherwise there is no need to hide that flirting, mating and other sexually related things also happen in nude environment, though people tend in general to be less rude in their pick-up attempts than in equivalent textile environment. Nudies are no angels - there is a fair share of all kinds of characters, including exhibitionists, voyeurs and alimony evaders - just like in any other place where lots of people, whether they nude or not. TravelNudie aka Aki[/quote] I think Philfreeuk put it well when he said that if we lived in a perfect world, we wouldn't have to worry about being seen as sexual deviants. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world. And in trying to show that social nudism isn't sexual, we sometimes give the impression that nudists themselves aren't sexual. WE ARE! Well, most of us, anyway. Generally speaking, a nudist in a social nudist situation will avoid exactly whatever he or she would avoid in textile company. The only difference is the texile doesn't have to bring his or her towel everywhere they go. Simple enough?
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Curt, or Cowboy
Jun 30, 2010
[quote]Imagination plays a big role in flirting, in the showing not showing game. I guess we are so use to do that, that we can't do it while we are naked and exposed. I wonder how we all would developed that skill if we had never had to wear clothes in history of human kind. [/quote] I gotta disagree ! Matters not to me whether we're clothed or not. Flirting is still flirting. A smile and pleasant word is still a smile and a pleasant word. Oh, sure. I might in a clothed setting, notice a woman's figure and mention that her dress fits her well, while I'd NEVER mention in a nude environment that her breasts fit well, or "nice ass" or any of those things that would easily be taken ( correctly ) as crude. I might, depending on other things, mention to a nude woman that I like the color she's wearing if she has a beautiful tan, or some such, but that can be risky. What I do and say has almost nothing to do with appearance, so clothed or nude seldom makes any difference whatever.
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Curt, or Cowboy
Jun 30, 2010
[quote]Asexual EunuchsIs that the image that we wish to convey? [/quote] No, but unfortunately some do spoil it for all of us, or at least blur the rules to the point where perceived infraction become proof of guilt. As a result, we too often see over-reaction until we individually prove ourselves. Sadly, it's sometimes apropo.
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LifeHappens
Jul 5, 2010
[quote][quote][quote]Part of the problem is whenever a sex crime is committed by someone who is a known nudist, the media senses the need to point out that fact. As if this was something akin to, say, a coach taking advantage of an athlete or a priest taking adavantage of parishoner. To be fair, the media should either ignore a person's political, social or religious affiliations, or make a point of stating them in each case. Imagine something like this: "The bank robber, who is the parish priest in Port Phony, ..." "The speeding motorist, who works for the Justice Department, ..." "Time has run out for N., a die-hard feminist who ..." "Convicted murderer Sean O'Irish, well-known for his Libertarian tendencies, ..." "Sheelagh MacShea, a Republican if there ever was one ..." "Mayor MacCheese, a anti-abortionist drug lord, ..." It would bring absolutely nothing important to the news story, but at least we nudists wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.[/quote] Gerry, I could not agree more. Even more perplexing is when any nude person is charged with an offense, they are linked to nudism if only by inference. In many cases, random naked guy, would be a more accurate description. Also on this topic, here in the States, I have noticed throughout the years, story headings such as, “Ex-Marine Charged in Shooting”.Had their military history been Coast Guard or Air Force, it would not have been mentioned[/quote] As a former Coast Guardsman, I was somehow offended by the last remark...doesn't make much sense, but thought, hey! what's he trying to say here?!? I know, weird. I guess those of us who've faced down the bad guys nose to nose on a very confined rolling deck at sea during a drug boarding don't like to be thought of a less of a bad ass as any other of our military cousins. :)[/quote] I actually understood the comment concerning the ex-Marine to be different than your interpretation. I think that the implication is that people view Marines or ex-Marines as crazier than the rest in the armed forces.
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Roosterock
Jul 5, 2010
As an ex Viet Nam vet, I would have to disagree with people feeling Marines are more of a bad ass. That maybe the thought of someone who has never served. Every vet does what is required of him or her with no questions asked. That gives the rest of you the right to Freedom of Speech.
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BareHam
Jul 5, 2010
I've been a nudist/naturist, whatever you like almost 50 years and have found this ongoing, permanent discussion has become a bit tiresome. What other people think doesn't much matter. They're going to think and believe what they want wheather it's true or not. Having said that, all we can and must do is judge each other by our words and deeds. I'm the same exact person nude or clothed and no one has ever taken issue with my conduct in either setting. People, us included, need to quit trying to get into each other's heads.
If there's no sex in the nudist community where do folks think all the kids at the resorts with their parents came from anyway, the stork?
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macnudeOriginal Poster
Jul 5, 2010
Thank you Life Happens,
Quote Life Happens
"I actually understood the comment concerning the ex-Marine to be different than your interpretation. I think that the implication is that people view Marines or ex-Marines as crazier than the rest in the armed forces."

You read my comment exactly as intended. It was meant only illustrate how some groups are singled out as if their association had anything to do with the incident being reported. I have the greatest respect for every man and woman serving our country, in any branch. Having served over nine years in the Marine Corps, perhaps, I am overly sensitive to negative reports of former Marines.
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Gerry-4
Jul 9, 2010
[quote]I've been a nudist/naturist, whatever you like almost 50 years and have found this ongoing, permanent discussion has become a bit tiresome. What other people think doesn't much matter. They're going to think and believe what they want wheather it's true or not. Having said that, all we can and must do is judge each other by our words and deeds. I'm the same exact person nude or clothed and no one has ever taken issue with my conduct in either setting. People, us included, need to quit trying to get into each other's heads. If there's no sex in the nudist community where do folks think all the kids at the resorts with their parents came from anyway, the stork?[/quote] Please don't see this as religion-bashing. But as a lover of speculative fiction, I love "What if?" scenarios. The one crossing my mind right now is where people would have taken Jesus at his word -- literally -- and made themselves eunnuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven. Where would the dwindling number of Christians find their new members? The world today would be a very different place. Probably no better or worse, but certainly different.
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JackNeilson
Jul 9, 2010
Interesting thought Gerry. I guess we would all be Pagan and nude friendly
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Michael
Apr 11, 2011
I think the bigger issue here is image. We're so worried we're going to project a negative idea on someone else that we don't just live our lives. I mean listen to what people keep saying about "appropriate". Propriety is just a way of saying "we don't want to offend anyone"... but the fact of the matter is no matter what you do no matter what hoops you jump through you're going to offend someone, period... and the more hoops you try to jump through the less people that go along with your way of life and the more risk you have of it dying out and being forbidden. Being seen is the only way to stay alive, and when we do everything we can to stay on people's good sides we risk that death by invisibility. To be too offensive can mean death as well, but oftentimes just a little bit of edge and controversy gets more people into it... and nudism is just like the rest of the world. The mantra has always been "nudists come from all walks of life" well... how is that true then not true? If you're a person who's into riding motorcycles but you're not into veganism then you're probably going to attend the "naked bike run" and not the "naked vegan picnic". If you don't like art or people who talk about politics but you do like rock music and watching football then you're more likely to go to the naked superbowl party where sting plays the halftime show than you are the nudist exhibit opening depicting the political struggles of the 19th century in modern art sculptures. Preferences don't make you any less of a nudist, and I think the biggest thing killing nudism for people is this idea that you can't be a nudist and "this" when you're a nudist all you do is hang out nude. I'm sorry but to just sit around a bunch of naked people sounds as boring as just sitting around a bunch of clothed people.
Some people are swingers and vegetarians
Some people are Christians and accountants
Some people are dog-lovers and fashion designers
In the same way some people are nudists and extremely sexual, and some people are nudists and not sexual at all. To suggest that the only way you can be nude and social at the same time and call it a "nudist" event is to be completely nonsexual is as ridiculous as suggesting that to be nude and social at the same time it has to be all people who speak English. The two are separate entities, they don't need each other to exist, but they can coexist in the same place.
Nudism... living life sans clothing... where does that say "no sex"?
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UKrudegirl
Apr 11, 2011
[quote] ..... Preferences don't make you any less of a nudist, and I think the biggest thing killing nudism for people is this idea that you can't be a nudist and "this" when you're a nudist all you do is hang out nude. I'm sorry but to just sit around a bunch of naked people sounds as boring as just sitting around a bunch of clothed people.... [/quote]Nicely put.Love n stuffRudie.
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karhuuk
Apr 25, 2011
Of course we're sexual beings: if we weren't we wouldn't be having this debate as Homo sapiens would have died out before we got the hang of fire or the wheel.
We are not asexual nor do we aspire to asexuality, well, I don't anyway, but that doesn't mean that *everything* has to be sexually motivated. Sex is a great thing and if you don't think so, you're really not doing it right. But if everything we did was just about sex we wouldn't have a civilisation and very few men would make it to a decent age without being usurped by some young buck wanting to muscle in on his share of the action.
We're not asexual but we're not animals either.
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StevenTorrey
Apr 26, 2011
To me, there is a sexual charge attached to nudity. That doesn't mean I will act on it--but on some level I will acknowledge it. It is sexually stimulatiing to look at a person--male or female--naked. Swingers clubs have that as a basic premise while the nudist camp/resort goes to an opposite extreme--almost hypocritcal. But the nudist camp wants people to discipline that sexual expression in the nudist camp. No overt display of sexuality. And for all the times I've attended, sexual expression has never been a problem. But I gotta say, the naked swingers club with pool, hot tub, patio, plaza was a whole lot of fun.
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zhaze01
Apr 26, 2011
[quote][quote][quote][quote]Part of the problem is whenever a sex crime is committed by someone who is a known nudist, the media senses the need to point out that fact. As if this was something akin to, say, a coach taking advantage of an athlete or a priest taking adavantage of parishoner. To be fair, the media should either ignore a person's political, social or religious affiliations, or make a point of stating them in each case. Imagine something like this: "The bank robber, who is the parish priest in Port Phony, ..." "The speeding motorist, who works for the Justice Department, ..." "Time has run out for N., a die-hard feminist who ..." "Convicted murderer Sean O'Irish, well-known for his Libertarian tendencies, ..." "Sheelagh MacShea, a Republican if there ever was one ..." "Mayor MacCheese, a anti-abortionist drug lord, ..." It would bring absolutely nothing important to the news story, but at least we nudists wouldn't be the only ones to suffer.[/quote] Gerry, I could not agree more. Even more perplexing is when any nude person is charged with an offense, they are linked to nudism if only by inference. In many cases, random naked guy, would be a more accurate description. Also on this topic, here in the States, I have noticed throughout the years, story headings such as, “Ex-Marine Charged in Shooting”.Had their military history been Coast Guard or Air Force, it would not have been mentioned[/quote] As a former Coast Guardsman, I was somehow offended by the last remark...doesn't make much sense, but thought, hey! what's he trying to say here?!? I know, weird. I guess those of us who've faced down the bad guys nose to nose on a very confined rolling deck at sea during a drug boarding don't like to be thought of a less of a bad ass as any other of our military cousins. :)[/quote] While not directly related to the initial subject string (I'll get to that in a bit) I must echo my fellow former Coast Guardsman above. I too went "nose to nose" with the bad guys on many occassions and while in the CG was a proud graduate of USMC Aux. Military Police course. As to the original string of thought, I believe we/some nudist get a little to hung up on the sexuality issue...nude or clothed, it is just part of being a human. Be happy and stay nude.[/quote] I'm a former Marine who appreciates all the fine men and women who serve, or have served, in the armed forces, regardless of which branch. I consider myself no better nor worse than any of you. However, there is a certain perception that Marines are nothing more than a bunch of raving, kill-happy psychos. I believe this is what was being pointed out.
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Cesar
Apr 27, 2011
I agree with you.
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ME
Member
Apr 27, 2011
[quote]Asexual EunuchsIs that the image that we wish to convey? We encounter sexuality in some form or other constantly in our daily lives. Turning on the TV, we find it in the commercials, the carefully made up weather lady, the situation comedies and elsewhere. At the grocery store, we will, on occasion, spot a member of the opposite sex which we find attractive and warrants a second look. What male has not encountered a waitress who flirts a little bit to build the tip? We consider this to be normal and a pleasurable part of our lives. There are those that would preach from the cyber pulpit that there is no sexuality in nudism. It defies logic that the removal of ones clothing instantly transforms one with a healthy libido to a sexless creature. Perhaps, they are confusing higher standards of decorum among nudists with a lack of sexuality. While, true, that the removal of one’s clothing eliminates the mystic, attraction does not magically disappear. the people we find attractive clothed ,we are likely to find attractive, nude. Those who claim there is no sexuality in nudism counter the image that most would like the general public to hold. That: We arenormalpeople from all walks of life who find no shame in being unclothed in the presence of either sex..[/quote] The toughest of all tennants of nudism. It is not that there is no sexuality in nudism, but that nudism is not a sexual activity. Unless of course you go home after seeing a nice looking nude woman and masterbate. Then, for you, the nudist activity is foreplay, and a sexual activity. Next time you see forum threads on why there are so few women on the nude beach...think about it.
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Curt, or Cowboy
Apr 27, 2011
[quote] The toughest of all tennants of nudism. It is not that there is no sexuality in nudism, but that nudism is not a sexual activity. Unless of course you go home after seeing a nice looking nude woman and masterbate. Then, for you, the nudist activity is foreplay, and a sexual activity. Next time you see forum threads on why there are so few women on the nude beach...think about it.[/quote] VERY well put ! Thank you.
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