So what are your thoughts on this? where does one begin & where does one end? Are nudists also into exibitionsim? And vice versa?
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- CD
Oct 29, 2010The Germans brought nudism to the US in the early 1930s, and at that time it was a healthy lifestyle with a self sustaining community like Cat Island in South Carolina (the actual first nudist enclave in the US). They grew their own food or fished, exercised for health. Unfortunately, the mosquitoes chased them away one year rather than the law.
Thanks NIM for stating it so eloquently.
ReactReply - MEMemberOct 31, 2010[quote]I tend to agree with most, we..or i am kind of proud of my body & i enjoy looking at other nice bodys, not in a sexual way but just the same i like it. I think most out there are the same...we like looking & like being looked at. Thats not a bad thing its just human nature.[/quote] How sensible. Voyeurism, exhibitionism, nudism. Done of these are automatically sexual. Likewise people, nudist or otherwise can be sexual without be a voyeur or exhibitionist. Our bodies are works of rt by our creator. Mine was at the bottom end, but if anyone looks, so whatReactReply
- RI
Nov 7, 2010Exhibitionism - Nudism - Voyeurism
That's a lot of -ism's in there, with nudism sitting embaressingly in the middle. Are we all just one or the other of any particular label, or are we all a healthy mixture of many emotions and decisions, the one not necessarily related to the other?
Rich.
http://www.naktiv.netReactReply - VI
Nov 28, 2010There has to be an element of exhibitionism in being a nudist, its the true nudist who knows where to draw the line before it becomes overtly sexual.
ReactReply - JO
Nov 28, 2010Agreed. But if that was all it was then nudists would be content to be naked inside their four walls and behind their privacy fences. LOL
Just because we're not walking around in trench coats flashing people doesn't mean we don't mean we don't get SOME enjoyment being naked around others. And not everything is "sexual" in its intent.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."ReactReply - MEMemberNov 28, 2010[quote]to me nudism is just enjoying being nude......exibitionism is wanting someone to react to your nudity[/quote] To put this another way- A nudist's nudity is a state. Where a exhibitionist's nudity is an action .ReactReply
- CDNov 29, 2010[quote]Agreed. But if that was all it was then nudists would be content to be naked inside their four walls and behind their privacy fences. LOL Just because we're not walking around in trench coats flashing people doesn't mean we don't mean we don't get SOME enjoyment being naked around others. And not everything is "sexual" in its intent. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."[/quote] Since humans are social animals, we tend to want to socialize with people of like minds. That's not exhibitionism.ReactReply
- MEMemberDec 9, 2010
Well put, however...
Don't we all have a bit of voyeur in us when we consider being nude amongst our fellow man.
I am friends quite a few nudists and everyone of them in some sense likes to show off what they were given.
I do not mind people seeing me in my birthday suit but that does not make me an exhibitionist. If I were to flaunt what little bit god did give me in a public place, like the local park, then that is exhibitionism. But to flaunt that little bit in an area that is clearly for those that wish to be 'nekkid is just being that . 'Nekkid. That part I like.
-RayReactReply - TU
Dec 9, 2010Quote
Don't we all have a bit of voyeur in us when we consider being nude amongst our fellow man
Well said RayReactReply - TO
Dec 13, 2010That is quite a good point and I think maybe forgotten as people strive for some all encompassing definition. I live close to a place which is close to the Royal national park south of Sydney and north of where I live in Wollongong. There are places where you can be nude on your own and I often enjoy that an at other times humans being social like company. The other aspect is to appreciate a certain aestethic and peope enjoy a good fit looking body a nice tan perhaps etc. Its simple truism but also in many countries because the practise is restricted then gathering together is a source of stength and camaderie.
ReactReply - MEMemberDec 30, 2010
I'm not a nudist, though I like being nude. I'm not an exhibitionist, though I sometimes like being seen nude.
To me, being nude is natural. There is no "-ist" to it. I spend a lot of time outdoors and sometimes I am seen by clothed people on a trail or at a swimming hole or springs that isn't officially established as clothing optional. I make the choice about whether I want to be nude, based on the overall situation.
I strongly believe that nudity will never be accepted as long as we only practice it behind high walls. There is nothing wrong with hiking or swimming naked and there is nothing wrong with people seeing this. If someone sees me skinny dipping, they can choose to be offended, choose to ignore me, or choose to take off their own clothes and follow my excellent example.ReactReply - MEMemberDec 30, 2010
oops - re-posted
ReactReply - TO
Dec 30, 2010When I want to be Naked all the time weather I am alone or around others it is not because I want them to see me but that I don't like wearing clothes. We need to prove we are "true nudists" on this site because of the unhealthy attitudes most americans have and the way we are taught that naked is naughty. It is a criminaal act to walk out my front door without covering my penis and buttocks, therefore it is neccesary for us to meet eachother through pictures on a wesite
ReactReply - DE
Dec 30, 2010It seems like the important thing to do first is to define one's terms. Nudism or being nude is simply being without clothes. Everyone was born that way and most people engage in it at least once a day when bathing. I think that when most people refer to nudism, they are thinking about Social Nudism. If you're a "home nudist" you are a nudist but you aren't a Social Nudist. Home Nudists and Social Nudists have one thing in common. They like to be free of clothes but home nudists are by them selves and socal nudists are in the company of others. They both do this for their own confort, pleasure and feelings of well being. They generally do not try to elicit a reaction from others by the fact that they are not wearing any clothes. Exhibitionists in the broader sense have as their prime purpose the desire to elicit a response form the viewing public. An exhibitionist can be fully clothed to accomplish their purpose. This may be the case of a fashion model or an artist displaying his creations. In our particular discussion the exhibitionist is one who is nude. They desire to elicit a reaction from the viewing public by their nakedness. If you look through the members on this site, you will find several individuals who are nudists and are also exhibitionists. These people are nudists in that they prefer not to wear clothes and they are exhibitionists in that they want to be seen by the general public in places where being nude would have a shock value. I believe that is the main thing about exhibitionism. It is done for the reaction in induces or its shock value.
ReactReply - JO
Dec 30, 2010I'll admit I get a thrill by being nude in the presence of other people, perhaps its because of my upbringing where I was always told that nudity is something that wasn't seen as acceptable, still when i get nude in "public" its always somewhere were nudity is tollearated and all other people are nude as well and that makes it all seem natural.
ReactReply - MEMemberDec 31, 2010
So let me see if I can apply all these rules we're getting.
How about the boating couple I described in post #91? Were they exhibitionists? Does it matter if they hoped to be seen or enjoyed being seen? What if (like me) they simply don't mind being seen? Or think it's a good and healthy thing to be seen in a natural state?
ReactReply - GE
Dec 31, 2010[quote]"I strongly believe that nudity will never be accepted as long as we only practice it behind high walls. "[/quote] [quote] To my way of thinking one of the reasons we (nudists) are not more acceptable to society is that our way of living is misunderstood and the only way we can clear up these misconceptions is to stop acting like we are ashamed of being nudists and come out publically and explain what we actually stand for. [/quote]ReactReply - CDDec 31, 2010[quote]I'm not a nudist, though I like being nude. I'm not an exhibitionist, though I sometimes like being seen nude. To me, being nude is natural. There is no "-ist" to it. I spend a lot of time outdoors and sometimes I am seen by clothed people on a trail or at a swimming hole or springs that isn't officially established as clothing optional. I make the choice about whether I want to be nude, based on the overall situation. I strongly believe that nudity will never be accepted as long as we only practice it behind high walls. There is nothing wrong with hiking or swimming naked and there is nothing wrong with people seeing this. If someone sees me skinny dipping, they can choose to be offended, choose to ignore me, or choose to take off their own clothes and follow my excellent example.[/quote] Or they can report you to the authorities, and you could be ticketed and arrested. Not every desitination has the open areas that AZ has.ReactReply
- CO
Dec 31, 2010[quote] Social nudity may be the norm in pagan rituals, swinger parties and among certain Amazonian tribes. Is “nudist” the proper label for these individuals? If it’s a swinger club, call it a swinger club. If it’s exhibitionism, call it exhibitionism. There’s a danger in using the word “nudist” when describing every social or public activity that involves nudity. [/quote] You and I are in such total and complete agreement !! Would that those who see some of us who complain about "inappropriate" behaviours and photos as draconian simply see this side of things. That the image we present, rightly but most especially wrongly, DOES define us in the eyes of the general public.ReactReply - MEMemberDec 31, 2010
So let me summarize: Be nude, but never enjoy it.
And be ashamed, be very ashamed.
Okay, I got it now.ReactReply - MEMemberJan 1, 2011[quote][quote][/quote] That really is dumb. If your idea of "enjoying" being nude involves sex, then you are part of the problem of the equation of nudity with sex that nudism faces.[/quote] Who said anything about sex? Where are you getting this? I'm talking about hiking or swimming or whatever in a natural state and not feeling like I'm doing anything wrong. I'm talking about promoting wholesome natural recreation, like the boating couple I described. You appear to buy into the idea that nudity is something to be ashamed of and that everone who doesn't share your view is a pervert.ReactReply
- PV
Jan 1, 2011[quote]Being naked is not nudism. It's a mindset and attitude.[/quote] This would suggest that there are nudists who never take their clothes off. Maybe I'm not "spiritual" enough, but I've got to believe that being naked is one of the defining characteristics of nudism.ReactReply
