Separating social nudity from sexual nudity

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  EarlD

  Dec 28, 2024

  Thanks for calling out the usual drivel that tries to cast people who know how to be appropriately sexual as asexual just because the libertines want to engage in sexual activity anywhere and everywhere. I usually return to this quote from a paper on the difference between naturism and libertine nudity.For the RAKES', on the other hand, nudity is a sign of sexual readiness. What's more, they are not "sexually closed", but are open ready to touch and be touched, ready for bodily contact and intimacy. This interpretation of nudity is in stark contrast to the one shared by naturists. - ALEKSANDRA HERMAN :NATURIST UTOPIA AND LIBERTINE REBELLION[quote]Over the years we have met hundreds if not thousands of nudists, cant say any of them were asexual, we certainly are not. So, how does one recognise an asexual nudist?[/quote]

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  Brett Rapley

  Dec 28, 2024

  [quote]Had to go out and check but I was correct, it is a full moon. Weird how that sets him off.[/quote] Oh my, witty comment....NOT !

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  Marcus

  Dec 28, 2024

  The problem is also libertines and naturists do not mix very well. Guess who is starting with intolerant behaviour? To my experience mostly the libertines.

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  Stone Andy

  Dec 28, 2024

  Rereading this long and interesting post makes me realize that there are two mindsets here: those who see nudists as able to be both sexual AND social people and those who see sexuality and sociality as mutually exclusive. The later are by nature dogmatic about their definition of bonafide true nudists. Dogmatic is defined as "inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true." The former are unlikely to change them, and it's a waste of time to figure out in psychobable how they got that way. At least that's my experience growing up with a lot of repression from people and institutions. Now in my 60's, I recognize that whereas the world always changes around us, people only choose to change. I wish them all well regardless.

  There is such a need for youth and young adults to be mentored and affirmed to find their own way in this increasingly fragmented and polarized world. I suggest that those of us who see sexuality as a gift and principles as a journey be caring, compassionate and generous with those in need of guidance. For when we are naked, we put ourselves out there as the most vulnerable, and from that place we find our greatest courage; both are languages of the heart.

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  EarlD

  Dec 28, 2024

  Right but honestly about that isnt possible because then they would have to account for their behavior as opposed to the bogus notions of asexual nudists that they roll out every time the behavior is challenged. [quote]The problem is also libertines and naturists do not mix very well. Guess who is starting with intolerant behaviour? To my experience mostly the libertines.[/quote]

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  BoundlessNudist

  Dec 29, 2024

  [quote]A well written post with some equally well written replies but as a lifelong nudist I have to ask a simple question: why the obsession with pretending we become asexual when we remove our clothes? And yes, I did use the word pretending because thats all it is. Some simple facts: We ARE sexual beings and thats a good and beautiful thing. Sexuality is not something that should be shamed any more than nudity should be shamed. Ive been a genuine, real-life, active naturist since I was a young boy and the truth is that we dont suddenly become asexual when we undress. Its no more possible to remove sexuality from social nudity than it is to remove salt from a soup thats already been made - its IN the mix, PART of us. And it is a positive. Puritanism teaches that sex should be shunned ( just like the way it shames the naked body). Thats not naturism. Lets just be happy and naked and free![/quote] I agree. I dont know, where the problem is. With removing of clothes comes the sexual Expression for everyone around us. Everyone around us can decide, how he want to react or just follow his primal instincts.

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  EarlD

  Dec 30, 2024

  The absolute ridiculousness of some of the responses to this thread makes me wonder if even common sense is uncommon these days.

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  StevieLorna

  Dec 30, 2024

  [quote]A well written post with some equally well written replies but as a lifelong nudist I have to ask a simple question: why the obsession with pretending we become asexual when we remove our clothes? And yes, I did use the word pretending because thats all it is.Some simple facts: We ARE sexual beings and thats a good and beautiful thing. Sexuality is not something that should be shamed any more than nudity should be shamed. Ive been a genuine, real-life, active naturist since I was a young boy and the truth is that we dont suddenly become asexual when we undress. Its no more possible to remove sexuality from social nudity than it is to remove salt from a soup thats already been made - its IN the mix, PART of us. And it is a positive. Puritanism teaches that sex should be shunned ( just like the way it shames the naked body). Thats not naturism.Lets just be happy and naked and free! I agree. I dont know, where the problem is. With removing of clothes comes the sexual Expression for everyone around us. Everyone around us can decide, how he want to react or just follow his primal instincts.[/quote] Previously I asked how can one recognise an asexual nudist. It was a loaded question because you cant. Id like to now ask how does one recognise a nudist who sexualises everyone around them? Do they just act creepy? My nudism experience is only in Europe so others will have to attest to their local, but in all my years creeps on the beach or in resorts are very, very rare. So where do all these libertarians go, because its never where we are? Its almost as if its how they think nudism should be without ever experiencing it for real.

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  EarlD

  Jan 6, 2025

  A couple thoughts on this comment. I agree with most of what was said. I dont think it is hard to separate nudism for sexual activities. Also dont think being sexual is something that is anathema to nudism its just a matter of appropriate place and time so nudist spaces can be safe for everyone. For example there are some people actively get nude who dont want families with kids around nudist spaces so they can be publicly drunk and engage in sexual behavior. That is very selfish in my opinion because families have as much right to be able to enjoy nudism as single people or those without kids. Also there are adult only venues if you dont want to be around families.

  Finally erotica is erotica in my opinion, there doesnt need to be a nude qualifier. Erotica has a sexual intention of arousal and titillation built into it. It can be set in any numbers of locations including ones where characters are nude. On the other hand naturist or nudist fiction has nudism and the accompanying social nudity at the center of the story without being focused on any sexual connotation.

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  EarlD

  Jan 7, 2025

  The point I was trying to make is if you accept nudism as not inherently sexual then no qualification is for erotica is necessary. Erotica is inherently sexual just as naturism/nudism is not inherently sexual [quote]I completely agree. I've written nudist fiction with both non-sexual every person audiences as well as sexual erotica.[/quote]

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  EarlD

  Jan 7, 2025

  Here are a couple quotes from papers and research on naturism to clarify what I mean Recent paperNaturist nudity is not interpreted through the prism of eroticism by naturists, because it does not have sex as an aim. Aleksandra HermanEarly researchWe need to acquire the capacity to see the bodies of individuals of the other sex with such self-control and such natural instinct that they become non-erotic to us and can be gazed at without erotic feeling. Havelock Ellis -Psychology of Sex, Sex in Relation to Society (1929)

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  opennudie3

  Jan 14, 2025

  In order to make a clear separation between social nudity and sexual nudity we would need to separate the social from the sexual. And thats never been done in any context!

  Lets get real here and not forget that people get aroused and act sexually when fully clothed too, so textiles arent separating social interactions from sexual interactions either. Does that make them perverts? No. It makes them normal. Whats not healthy or normal is fixation on denying human nature and the obvious, fundamental facts of our being. We need to manage our feelings and sexual impulses whether clothed or naked so as to behave respectfully and responsibly. But being respectful to our own and each others humanity also requires embracing our beautiful sexualities and their open fulfilment, and a rejection of the puritanical nonsense thats at the heart of ridiculous pretences of asexuality with which many seem to want to burden other naturists.

  Heres to openminded naturism where sex is celebrated respectfully and openly rather than demonised by self-appointed guardians of naturism who are in reality just pretentious puritans.

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  EarlD

  Jan 14, 2025

  SMH Whats not normal is the idea that the only thing that applies in social setting is individual needs wants and desires. This whole fake asexual idea about those who actually are mature enough to control their behavior and moderate sexual action to where it is appropriate is so tired and played out. The only people saying nudists are asexual is those who want an anything goes environment where the safety or concerns of other dont matter. I for one am anything but asexual but I dont use every social environment to pursue sexual activities. I am mature enough to know when and where sexual activity is appropriate.

  On the other hand all these "open" and "open minded" libertines talk about people being overtly sexual while wearing clothing as if that is something common place. It isnt. People having sex in public wearing clothes is considered no more appropriate than people engaging in sexual activity unclothed. So stop with the false equivalency, what aboutism, false flags and paper tigers. The only people who buy it are those libertines who want to pursue their sexual profile ties under the guise of being nudists.

  Unfortunately those in the mainstream who are against nudism totally also see this and use it to reinforce their interest in eliminating nudism.

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  StevieLorna

  Jan 15, 2025

  I am not sure if its a lack of education or wilful ignorance but Im constantly amazed at how many people fail to understand the meaning of the words they use.

  Puritan, look it up and then tell me that it in any way could be used to describe a nudist.

  Asexual, look up the definition.

  I can sit with a beautiful sexy woman dressed or naked and have a conversation. I dont need to sexualise anyone to be social. That in now way means Im not attracted to anyone.

  I am a normal adult male.

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  David

  Jan 15, 2025

  [quote]Thanks for calling out the usual drivel that tries to cast people who know how to be appropriately sexual as asexual just because the libertines want to engage in sexual activity anywhere and everywhere. I usually return to this quote from a paper on the difference between naturism and libertine nudity. For the RAKES', on the other hand, nudity is a sign of sexual readiness. What's more, they are not "sexually closed", but are open ready to touch and be touched, ready for bodily contact and intimacy. This interpretation of nudity is in stark contrast to the one shared by naturists. - ALEKSANDRA HERMAN :NATURIST UTOPIA AND LIBERTINE REBELLION Over the years we have met hundreds if not thousands of nudists, cant say any of them were asexual, we certainly are not.So, how does one recognise an asexual nudist?[/quote] The big problem people have all over the world at the time we live is simply, "Commercialism and man made laws", power seekers who are specifically chosen for the purpose to drive their personal views of what they want to be right and wrong into other peoples lives. These people who present their laws forcing themselves onto individuals who are naturalists are NOT the same type of people. My research has shown that the UK laws were changed back in 2003 on this very subject. Let me digress... The Media approached the police (UK) asking their views and understandings of laws regarding to sexuality, male to male, female to female. The police with their usual approach came straight out and said, "We will prosecute ANYONE like that"? The press laughed. Okay then now we've established the law on this subject. What about this evidence that shows your own police officers are also gay and lesbian people. Once the evidence was presented to them, their reply became, give us time to get this sorted out, we will get to the bottom of this, which is not acceptable! What then happened? The law changed and said people had a right to be gay or lesbian. No prosecutions etc, because its their own people, who can't be seen to be wrong in socienty. I certainly will NOT be bound by these people and their rules of law. They say naturists, nudists have some type of mental illness that causes us to be the way we are? Who then are the police force with their deranged mindsets to tell anyone else right from wrong! Their probation services are out each week of the year telling people on their court ordered courses that men sleeping with men and women sleeping with women are having NATURAL normal healthy sex and its legal? Absolutely everyone living on this planet knows they are born NAKED. Nobody growing up through early childhood has a problem being around other people, family and friends in their naked state. You just can't dress it up any other way with words etc other than its the most normal and natural design of life we've all been given. It is irrelevant whether anyone chooses to believe in a creator or not, but what is certain is that it is recorded that he the creator of heaven and earth said, let us make them in OUR IMAGE, male and female. They were both naked, living naked and had no problem at all until sin entered the equation of life. What are the human race left with now! Some of the most dangerous incorrectly educated people hiding behind uniforms bulleying their way through life on individuals with their deranged mindsets. The standard was set correctly 6000 years ago, its natural and normal and people should be left alone in or on their own properties at least. Its their lifes not anyone elses. Rant over.

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  StevieLorna

  Jan 16, 2025

  Badly educated or just ignorant? [quote] The big problem people have all over the world at the time we live is simply, "Commercialism and man made laws", power seekers who are specifically chosen for the purpose to drive their personal views of what they want to be right and wrong into other peoples lives. These people who present their laws forcing themselves onto individuals who are naturalists are NOT the same type of people. My research has shown that the UK laws were changed back in 2003 on this very subject. Let me digress... The Media approached the police (UK) asking their views and understandings of laws regarding to sexuality, male to male, female to female. The police with their usual approach came straight out and said, "We will prosecute ANYONE like that"? The press laughed. Okay then now we've established the law on this subject. What about this evidence that shows your own police officers are also gay and lesbian people. Once the evidence was presented to them, their reply became, give us time to get this sorted out, we will get to the bottom of this, which is not acceptable! What then happened? The law changed and said people had a right to be gay or lesbian. No prosecutions etc, because its their own people, who can't be seen to be wrong in socienty. I certainly will NOT be bound by these people and their rules of law. They say naturists, nudists have some type of mental illness that causes us to be the way we are? Who then are the police force with their deranged mindsets to tell anyone else right from wrong! .[/quote] David your reasoning and research is so epically wrong its hard to know where to start, but Ill give it a go. The police enforce the law, although these days its been changed to apply the law. The police dont make laws. The police cant pick and choose which laws they want to apply. The people who make laws, are us, you and me, everyone who votes for their local politicians. Politicians (working through us and public opinion of the day) can bring a bill to introduce a new law, change an existing one or abolish one all together. This bill has to be passed by both houses for it to become an act. The police change their guides every time a law gets amended or a new one introduced. They have no say on which laws they can apply and which they can ignore. If you truly want nudism to be accepted, dont say god made us this way. Change public opinion. Flashing your dick in front of your neighbours isnt going to help anyone. If you or anyone else want to change public opinion and make nudism more acceptable? My first suggestion to many here would be, stop making nudism weirder than they think it is.

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  EarlD

  Jan 16, 2025

  I am always amazed at how some people behave weirdly, doing things naked that wouldnt be accepted clothed and then say "its normal". Posing naked in full view of neighbors as if it is some kind of badge of honor or reporting taking naked photos in front of monuments as some kind of achievements. Then saying without a hint of irony that they dont understand why more people arent more accepting of their behavior. [quote] If you truly want nudism to be accepted, dont say god made us this way. Change public opinion. Flashing your dick in front of your neighbours isnt going to help anyone. If you or anyone else want to change public opinion and make nudism more acceptable? My first suggestion to many here would be, stop making nudism weirder than they think it is.[/quote]

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  David

  Jan 16, 2025

  [quote]Badly educated or just ignorant? The big problem people have all over the world at the time we live is simply, "Commercialism and man made laws", power seekers who are specifically chosen for the purpose to drive their personal views of what they want to be right and wrong into other peoples lives.These people who present their laws forcing themselves onto individuals who are naturalists are NOT the same type of people. My research has shown that the UK laws were changed back in 2003 on this very subject. Let me digress...The Media approached the police (UK) asking their views and understandings of laws regarding to sexuality, male to male, female to female. The police with their usual approach came straight out and said, "We will prosecute ANYONE like that"?The press laughed. Okay then now we've established the law on this subject. What about this evidence that shows your own police officers are also gay and lesbian people. Once the evidence was presented to them, their reply became, give us time to get this sorted out, we will get to the bottom of this, which is not acceptable!What then happened? The law changed and said people had a right to be gay or lesbian. No prosecutions etc, because its their own people, who can't be seen to be wrong in socienty.I certainly will NOT be bound by these people and their rules of law. They say naturists, nudists have some type of mental illness that causes us to be the way we are? Who then are the police force with their deranged mindsets to tell anyone else right from wrong!. David your reasoning and research is so epically wrong its hard to know where to start, but Ill give it a go. The police enforce the law, although these days its been changed to apply the law. The police dont make laws. The police cant pick and choose which laws they want to apply. The people who make laws, are us, you and me, everyone who votes for their local politicians. Politicians (working through us and public opinion of the day) can bring a bill to introduce a new law, change an existing one or abolish one all together. This bill has to be passed by both houses for it to become an act. The police change their guides every time a law gets amended or a new one introduced. They have no say on which laws they can apply and which they can ignore. If you truly want nudism to be accepted, dont say god made us this way. Change public opinion. Flashing your dick in front of your neighbours isnt going to help anyone. If you or anyone else want to change public opinion and make nudism more acceptable? My first suggestion to many here would be, stop making nudism weirder than they think it is.[/quote] Yes I know how laws are made, but I also know the police use the system to their advantage knowing too well the fear factor they put on the public. The problem with the public is they are intimidated by the uniform and give in to believing the police are correct, when in fact the police are some of the least experienced/trained people in law enforcement.

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  StevieLorna

  Jan 16, 2025

  [quote]when in fact the police are some of the least experienced/trained people in law enforcement.[/quote] Not the dumbest thing Ive ever read, but it is up there. So what about not making nudism weirder than they think it is. Agree disagree?

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  David

  Jan 19, 2025

  [quote]when in fact the police are some of the least experienced/trained people in law enforcement. Not the dumbest thing Ive ever read, but it is up there. So what about not making nudism weirder than they think it is. Agree disagree?[/quote] Your views on natural life come across to me like you dissagree totally with hudism/naturism unless its all on your terms and understanding. Nudism to you is being confined into your home locked away from the outside world. That's your choice and your view which is ok, but nudism was here at the beginning of life with everyone LONG BEFORE materials were created. Nudism is not weired its the most natural normal life style we've all been created in and given for life. Being in the police force trying to re-invent the wheel on the subject only makes things worse, which is why I pointed out about their own deranged mindsets and their own personal views on right and wrong, and when you then go and legalise your own corruption, its time you were stopped trying to convince and corrupt normal people who just plain don't agree with your views and ways of life. The fact that your on a nudist forum and against it unless on your own terms is really something else!!

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  StevieLorna

  Jan 19, 2025

  As once again much of your post is utter bollocks Ill ignore I will address this though. [quote] The fact that your on a nudist forum and against it unless on your own terms is really something else!![/quote] They arent my terms David, they are the terms every real world nudist weve ever met in resorts all over Europe share. Something it seems youve yet to experience.

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  David

  Apr 13, 2025

  I know about three months have gone by, and it was said on this thread that I was behaving like a 4 year old when I rightly advised in the early years of living, that people actually did live naked. There were various reasons for this and one such reason was the lack of materials to make cloths. Anyway moving on, here is some information from other nudists research that I came across where they understand more about the message I was trying to get across on this forum...

  The question that sparked this exploration into naturism and primitively reveals a common misconception about both concepts, highlighting a lack of understanding of their true nature and implications. Primitively, often associated with pre-civilization or early human societies, does not inherently involve a conscious choice to be naked. For primitive people, nudity was a natural state, devoid of the cultural or social meanings it carries today. They were naked for practical reasons related to their environment and lifestyle needs, not out of philosophical or lifestyle choices. Their lack of clothing was not a statement or an ideology but a simple fact of their existence, often dictated by the climate, activities, or absence of available materials for clothing.

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  NaturFam

  Aug 6, 2025

  Difficult for me to understand why people have a hard time separating the two.

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  Dog-loving Male

  Mar 13, 2026

  I have a difficult time understanding why nudism and sex have to be separated. Textiles have sex.

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