Separating social nudity from sexual nudity

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  EarlD

  Nov 22, 2024

  Have you wondered why. They are messing things up for others. I was at a nude beach in California a few months ago where there we families and couples and single men a few single men walked up and down the beach for a significant time cruising looking for locations to land and act out sexual behavior. By the time I decided to leave two of them had set in spots where they filmed others at the beach with their phone cameras while playing with themselves. Think for a minute why would a woman just exploring social nudism want to subject herself to that potential situation? What would an anti nudist person think when they see that happening? All the erection advocates dont care about anyone else just getting their jollies. [quote]Ive also noticed an increasing trend to make single males unwelcome both at beaches and resorts. Have herd of many resorts not permitting single Males, and beachs were single males being chased off.[/quote]

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  EarlD

  Nov 22, 2024

  Co-sign on this 100% [quote] Oh, I know the problem, but if we don't constantly refute them they will not learn that Actual Nudists as opposed to unTrue Nudists do not behave at all the way they portray us.[/quote]

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  Jim

  Nov 22, 2024

  [quote]In my experience, males attending or attempting to attend nudist resorts alone have been unwelcome or outright banned for years. It's discriminatory and disgusting. Which is why I stick to nude beaches. All are welcome and nude beaches.[/quote] It really depends on the resort. Family resorts are obviously not admitting unattached or related single males and aren't super keen on random single women either. This seems fairly logical and understandable to me. Naturist resorts as defined by the strict non sexual definition here are also going to be biased towards couples groups and friends who come and rent together. I can't remember ever seeing single guys not hitting on random women regardless of clothes or nude and with little regard to where and when they do it too. Sure. Not all guys are like this. But in 100 random choices of single men I have serious doubt that more than 5 percent are capable of being in the company of women without hitting on, flirting with or otherwise trying it under any circumstances let alone nude. The statistics are pretty much uniform across the world, when single men are admitted to these spaces in any quantity it quickly drives away the other users and members who don't return. The same is incidentally true of swinger's clubs which contra what some might imagine is solid support for a general truth regarding single men as a whole. The inability to behave in a socially acceptable and supportive manner in spaces where the rules around sexual conduct are not only relaxed but supportive of it just demonstrates the impossibility of following a stricter and more socially demanding code of conduct. The number of single males who are simply out to socialize cordially, even if we grossly overestimate that percentage at 50% still leaves so many who aren't that it will always mean any significant influx is going to be disruptive. So why would you want to access spaces which you will automatically cause discomfort or disruption? There are beyond these nude social spaces a whole other set of resorts guesthouses private b&b's events and cruises among others that cater to mostly or all male and mixed groups that are not all by default simply orgies. It seems to me that it's better to go where one is welcome and to work to build spaces and community that suits your needs rather than demanding others accommodate what they clearly do not and will not.

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  Stone Andy

  Nov 22, 2024

  [quote]Ever other post he bemoans the fact that hes constantly rejected from naturist space, and judges those in charge to be puritanical. Is it any wonder the single male gets a hard time.[/quote] Who says I'm always rejected? This "guilty until proven innocent" thinking regarding single men is killing nudism in the US. It even applies to single dads at family resorts. Who would think that a single parent with two grade school kids has any time to focus on anything or anybody else? [quote]The number of single males who are simply out to socialize cordially, even if we grossly overestimate that percentage at 50% still leaves so many who aren't that it will always mean any significant influx is going to be disruptive. So why would you want to access spaces which you will automatically cause discomfort or disruption? There are beyond these nude social spaces a whole other set of resorts guesthouses private b&b's events and cruises among others that cater to mostly or all male and mixed groups that are not all by default simply orgies. It seems to me that it's better to go where one is welcome and to work to build spaces and community that suits your needs rather than demanding others accommodate what they clearly do not and will not.[/quote] Good points here! Unfortunately, there don't seem to be many options between male rejection and male orgies. Building spaces and community that suits your needs is tough as a single dad. We need community - it takes a village. Now that my sons are college age, life is easier. When I was a kid I went to a lot of social groups related to my parents' home country. None exist today because they weren't thinking of the next generation. I bemoan that fact with nudism in the US Midwest as well. Since we don't have any nudist beaches or public outdoor areas within a few hundred miles, my nude time outside is limited to skinny dipping when no one's looking and a clothing optional campground three hours away by car. I also go to straight saunas where nudity is accepted though most have a sheet most of the time. The all-nude Korean spa became to stressful when they took away all the seating and put bright lights everywhere.

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 22, 2024

  [quote] Who says I'm always rejected? This "guilty until proven innocent" thinking regarding single men is killing nudism in the US. It even applies to single dads at family resorts. Who would think that a single parent with two grade school kids has any time to focus on anything or anybody else?[/quote] Err You do. You dont judge people unless they disagree with you. And the, its my boner and Ill show it off if I want to is exactly the attitude that is destroying it for the guys who just want to enjoy nudism. I know youll never admit to being in the wrong on this. Its just your nature.

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  opennudie3

  Nov 22, 2024

  Im European so I dont get some of the presumptions and preconceptions in this thread which are so very negative about masculinity and sexuality. Are they bad things??

  Whats the obsession with separating nudity from perfectly normal human feelings and respectful behaviours? And why? All too often we seem to be presented with a rather presumptuous version of natur-ism that might best be described as naked Puritanism tinged with misandristic toxicity and sexual preoccupation or neuter-ism!

  Why cant we all just be treated equally and take our clothes off and respectfully enjoy ourselves in an atmosphere of mutual celebration rather than judging and excluding people?

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  Stone Andy

  Nov 22, 2024

  [quote]You dont judge people unless they disagree with you. And the, its my boner and Ill show it off if I want to is exactly the attitude that is destroying it for the guys who just want to enjoy nudism. I know youll never admit to being in the wrong on this. Its just your nature.[/quote] For the record, I don't judge people who disagree with me. I reject people who reject me, my children and others for no logical reason. I wish I could get boners to show off, but I lack both size and bloodflow to be noticed. Nor am I an exhibitionist or even wear clothes to draw attention to myself. I'm introverted and conscientious by nature and feel that you have totally misunderstood my views. I work with refugee youth and care about their future. I'm a dedicated father and want my sons also want them to come into full adulthood of acceptance in an open and welcoming world. I grew up evangelical and experienced shaming and sexual abuse, so I don't tolerate dogma, rigid thinking or othering people. I believe in respect and respect you. Re+spect=looking at twice. I see you certain and I see you scared and accept how fight, flight or freeze doesn't leave your thinking with much room for reconsideration. It's in my nature to care deeply about others and it is my hope that people will recognize the consequences of their behaviors. If it's people who commit sexual assault, it's arrest. If it's prejudice, a slow nudist die-off. I'm 61 years old and will speak for the younger generation when they have a valid point to make, and they do. As far as people like you who think they know me and have no clue, I wish you well and that's it. It's the others I hope will listen and care.

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 22, 2024

  Andy, I grew up Catholic, take a ticket and get in line.

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  EarlD

  Nov 23, 2024

  I always have to chuckle when the one trick pony " victimized" males on this site accuse others of having one track minds.

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  opennudie3

  Nov 23, 2024

  [quote] You dont judge people unless they disagree with you. And the, its my boner and Ill show it off if I want to is exactly the attitude that is destroying it for the guys who just want to enjoy nudism. I know youll never admit to being in the wrong on this. Its just your nature.[/quote] This kind of judging is unfortunate. What would any young prospective naturist think reading negativity? As a dad of two sons whove grown up naturist and are now young adults I have a perspective on the attitudes of the younger generation from constant interaction. The views that Stoneandy has presented are in keeping with the upcoming generation. Hes right. And the reality is that the judging and puritanically inspired castigation to which he personally, as well as his opinions, are being subjected belong to the very thinking thats actually killing old school naturism in places where its tolerated. And the killing off of that old-school naturism is a positive development. It had its time when attitudes were very different - in a time when many things which the younger generation of today rightly find offensive dominated. Shock horror reactions to an erection belong in Puritanism, not naturism. Anti-male bigotry is sexist and has no place anywhere civilised. The history of Puritanism is not an illustrious one - its one of hypocrisy, bigotry and harm. Sex and sexuality are no longer hidden the way they once were. Society has moved on and so has the upcoming generation of naturists. Now I expect to join Stoneandy in being castigated and I dont care because the only opinions that matter are those of the younger generations and theyre laughing at old school naturism. Those of us who have ongoing contact with them get the joke!

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 23, 2024

  A puritanical nudist is an oxymoron.

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  opennudie3

  Nov 23, 2024

  [quote]A puritanical nudist is an oxymoron.[/quote] Exactly! It makes no sense does it!! lol So now that were in agreement, heres to open minds as well as bare bodies!

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  EarlD

  Nov 23, 2024

  And coming from a two month old account barely filled out no profile photo but credibility should be assumed. [quote]A puritanical nudist is an oxymoron.[/quote]

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 23, 2024

  [quote]And coming from a two month old account barely filled out no profile photo but credibility should be assumed. A puritanical nudist is an oxymoron.[/quote] I wouldnt know, Im blocked.

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  Balazs B. J.

  Nov 24, 2024

  The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a ragung erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is completely false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we see immediatly what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex, at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!!

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  Balazs B. J.

  Nov 24, 2024

  [quote]The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a raging erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is completely false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we see immediatly what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex, at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!![/quote]

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  Balazs B. J.

  Nov 24, 2024

  [quote]The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a raging erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is wrong and completely false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we immediatly see what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed for the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex (either outercourse or entercourse), at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!!

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  Balazs B. J.

  Nov 24, 2024

  [quote]The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a raging erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is completely untrue and false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we see immediatly what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed for the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex (outercourse or entercourse), at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!!

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  Balazs B. J.

  Nov 24, 2024

  The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a raging erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is completely wrong and false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we see immediatly what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed for the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex (outercourse and entercourse), at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!!

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  Terry

  Nov 25, 2024

  [quote]The US continues to lose nudist beaches venues and I believe Australia has lost two nude beaches this year. Partly because anti nudism groups can use the behavior of a minority of men to blanket associate sexual behavior with all genuine nudists. I wonder wether its an Australian thing[/quote] I agree with you and believe a few are messing it up for the majority. My concern is if the majority are speaking out and calling the few out on their bad behaviors. When those of us acting appropriately see someone misbehaving, are we stepping up and calling them out? I may be wrong, but I imagine some people have mixed feelings when they see bad actions. They know that the action is wrong, but they also secretly enjoy it. Therefore, they are silent! I also know many people are fearful of violence, but if we want to continue to enjoy our freedoms, we must come against the wrongdoers! There should be a few "good" people in the midst who can gather together and approach the wrongdoer and tell him or her that their actions are not acceptable. If they refuse to stop or leave, call law enforcement. Now I know we don't normally want any law enforcement in our nudist areas. However, if we step up and involve them, it can also send a message throughout the community that we have standards and will not tolerate bad behaviors. Let some of these perverts catch a charge and have to register as a sex offender (which is what they are) and they may get the message!

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  Terry

  Nov 25, 2024

  [quote]The majority of textiles are under the impression, that because naturist/nudist men do not immediatly get arroused and have a raging erection at the sight of a nude female, we are sexless drones!! This couldn't be further from the truth, it is completely wrong and false!! We are just as sexual as the rest of society, perhaps even more so because we see immediately what we like, what turns us on and gets us excited but unlike textiles, instead of being disappointed in our partner's appearance when we see them undressed for the first time, we know when it is appropriate to have sex (outercourse and entercourse), at the right time, in the right place, in the right environment, in the right circumstances, with the right partner or partners, etc.!!![/quote] One of my friends suffers from major erectile deficiency. One day he said something that made me burst out in laughter. He said that while at a nudist location, he could be just as horny and turned on as possible, but no one would ever know because his penis would remain flaccid. The male body (like the female body) is unique and operates in ways we sometimes don't desire. All males with erections are not sexually excited and all males with flaccid penises are not sexually dead!!! We must learn not to give the appearance of wrongdoing! Based on my knowledge, if you get erect, don't flaunt it, and definitely don't rub on it.

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  David

  Nov 25, 2024

  Separating social nudity from sexual nudityHow does one actually achieve the above? In the time we all live we've all grown up from youth in clothes. Here in the UK the Government made it law as far back as 1942 that everyone must wear clothes. Now generations have grown up in clothes and all my life I've seen couples changing partners and going about their lives doing as they please, no marriage just their own loose conduct, but its okay because millions do that sort of thing and its normal, but being naked especially if or where someone can see you either in or outside your home and then people say you are indecent? Who has the damn right to say that anybody in the nude is indecent! We're all created the same, male and female, and once your used to being around people naked, there really is no sexuality. Its just another experience that people don't have because its been taken away from them, so they think the human body is for sexual gratification only and must be falsely covered over at all other times, and if anyone see's you, heaven forbid, your indecent.

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  StevieLorna

  Nov 27, 2024

  If someone sees you naked its not the fault of god or the witness. Its always entirely the fault of the naked person.

  The naked person has no control over how the witness will react regardless of that naked persons intention is. There is no argument here, being naked in a place where nudity is not accepted is not a social norm.

  Nudists know this thats why nudist spaces like resorts, clubs and beaches exist.

  Every time I read a post saying something like my neighbour is totally fine with my being naked in my garden. she even invited me over for coffee I tend to think that person is living in a fantasy world rather than this one.

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  EarlD

  Nov 28, 2024

  Those people who whine about being considered indecent when the are naked in places where it is socially inappropriate should all get together and form their own society where they can be naked anywhere anytime and do anything.

  Otherwise come back to the real world and recognize that whine does nothing flaunting social norms is harmful and supporting genuine non exhibitionist nudism is the best way to preserve dwindling social nudism spaces.

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