Disagreeable Experience at the Gym Today

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• ME

  Member

  Jan 9, 2022

  How stupid ignorant retarded these insecure Guys are in that Gym??? How come any Male will feel bad for seeing another Dick???
  Only guys that are NOT real men, feel this way.
  It's a MALE Locker room, so it's normal and natural to be nude.
  You just keep enjoying your beautiful Male Nudity,,, ;o)

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• ME

  Member

  Jan 9, 2022

  How stupid ignorant retarded these insecure Guys are in that Gym??? How come any Male will feel bad for seeing another Dick???
  Only guys that are NOT real men, feel this way.
  It's a MALE Locker room, so it's normal and natural to be nude.
  You just keep enjoying your beautiful Male Nudity,,, ;o)

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• ME

  Member

  Jan 10, 2022

  I just saw and read this thread and I can not stop laughing! Thanks so much for the good laugh. To be honest I am laughing at the insanity of this situation. I am also nude in the men's locker room, walk around nude, go into the shower nude, and sit in the sauna nude (on a towel). I have been given dirty looks by guys who will wrap a towel around themselves while they undress from street clothes into workout clothes and visa versa. The majority of guys will walk into the private shower stall fully dressed, close the curtain, and then get undressed and carefully reach outside of the stall without opening the curtain to put their clothes on the hook next to the stall. Heaven forbid someone see them nude. The steam room is also full of guys who are wearing clothes! Damn, how did it ever come to this when guys ( I assume ) are so paranoid about another guy seeing them nude (homophobia at work here?) that they just can not handle the situation.

  BTW the female staff members who do come into the men's locker room (when I am the only one in there) seem to have no problem seeing me nude.

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• NU

  nudeyooper

  Jan 10, 2022

  Too bad we cannot compare today with the world before You Tube. It seems that there are plenty of people, younger adults, who have taken to playing strip naked games such as tennis, or golf, poker or Twister. These are situations that when I was of that age, none of us would have thought to be in let alone record them. I think that I am seeing more nudity now than in the 60's and 70's but I must confess that It is all on video.

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• SA

  

  Stone Andy

  Jan 10, 2022

  [quote]Let everybody live their lives and make their choices. There is nothing wrong. Same as there is nothing wrong to be naked in a locker room or sauna.[/quote] Rafael you make a good point. Instead of people judging one another, we can just acknowledge that we may have a naked penis in the gym sauna while others have naked sweatpants, high tops and electronics. Maybe we don't understand one another, but we can all enjoy a good sweat.

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• TJ

  

  TJ

  Jan 11, 2022

  [quote]I could not have said it better. You are absolutely correct, my views are irrelevant, please ignore them.DONE! Admittedly, it's very strange to have to defend nudity on a nudist website.[/quote]

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• TD

  

  Tom D

  Jan 11, 2022

  [quote]Let everybody live their lives and make their choices. There is nothing wrong. Same as there is nothing wrong to be naked in a locker room or sauna.Rafael you make a good point. Instead of people judging one another, we can just acknowledge that we may have a naked penis in the gym sauna while others have naked sweatpants, high tops and electronics. Maybe we don't understand one another, but we can all enjoy a good sweat.Exactly, this world need less judgment and more understanding. Let people live. We all are different and we come from different backgrounds. Even people from the same country is still different but there is space for everybody.[/quote]
  
  Can't disagree with that. However, those who keep nudity in a locker room to a minimum are often judgmental about those who don't.

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• JI

  

  Jim

  Jan 11, 2022

  Expecting to change your clothes in a public space with others and not be nude or see other nude people is not reason. It's not "imposing" to point that out, it's a statement of basic fact. And that expectation (let's be very clear that almost no one has this as an expectation rather many men suffer from varying degrees of discomfort and shame in this setting) is always the more unreasonable and when expressed in terms of desiring for regulation and inhibition or interdictions to make it impossible to see other nude men or be seen nude publicly instead of just using a private change room or toilet stall is the very definition of "imposing" on others. And this is coming from someone who had deep anxiety and trouble with it for many years. What's undeniable is that getting over it has never in my experience and in the thousands of discussions on the topic I've had now over a lifetime of activism and involvement in the various facets of men's health nudism and naturism resulted in anyone having a negative outcome. Every. Single. Man. Feels. Better. By a landslide and far and away. Not counting or including those who have not or cannot get past it... it's legitimate to be where you are in life and not my place to tell someone else they HAVE to. I will definitely say that they should try to and get support to help with growing and getting free as a general bit of advice if asked for my opinion and experience... but it's still up to them and not me. That said I won't be not nude in the change rooms or showers or lockers as I am going about my businesses and enjoying my time exercising relaxing and healing and if that offends someone that's their issue and they should consider that they are incapable of functioning in this space as a contributing or at very least non disruptive member of a community. If that's the case seek accommodation in time of entry and exit, a special hour every other day or best of all privacy in individual change and shower areas. If there are none... request it... instead of demanding everyone else accommodate. I will even join in advocating for a few single use roomettes and most others would too if it means peace quiet and no drama about naked bodies.

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• JI

  

  Jim

  Jan 11, 2022

  [quote]Yes, and Ive been nude many time in that situation, but Ive never used those places to be a nudist. Thats the difference, Im nude among people who are not nudist. I wouldnt want the non nudist think Im weird. In a gym, I get changed,.I dont walk around with my dick flopping around, hoping t gets noticed.[/quote] Private men's clubs still have completely nude gyms saunas lounges and pools. There are only a few left for a variety of reasons but the biggest one is that admission is very limited and money isn't a guarantee of admission just a prerequisite. There have also been gender based challenges to open up all male clubs to women based not on exclusion by gender but because they don't have access to the opportunities of business and financial advantages these clubs are essentially there to provide for a very established segment of society. This challenge has been the more successful and it effectively closes the health and relaxation men's clubs and replaces them with a social club fraught with sex and gender dynamics that are partly the reason for the segregated clubs in the first place. Of course they are horribly classist sexist racist etc because they cater to a very established and conservative segment of society but the point is what the space offers to members that's essential irreplaceable and necessary. The easiest way to tell that this is actually the case is to see how in the US, 3000 years of common folks bathing nude together and washing each other or being washed and exercising nude (this is a universal social primate function) was essentially ended and made verboten socially in less than 100 years. Three generations. From my father's generation to mine, then to the next. The anthropology is undeniable... if you're not a solitary primate species you do this... and we're definitely social primates. This cultural practice exists or existed in every age and in every country and culture... ever. Until now. The reason for the shift is undeniably demographic but also because those in power have recognized long ago as labour movements grew and wealth began to distribute to a large middle class and wealthier and healthier working class that political and economic power were slipping away from the elites and they immediately understood that part of regaining control and maintaining disproportionate power was to deny through a whole host of means the advantages modern industrial culture... the true advantages it conferred on everyone who participated. Whenever the ultra rich keep for themselves that which they deny you... you have to ask why? And people invariably say but they didn't there were just changes in how we lived and what technology was able to deliver to us and social change and times are different now. And assuredly that's what it seems like and feels like. But from the arrival of the private bathrooms and overly large suburban homes designed for investment and automobiles not people and the explosion of personal credit that made it possible (to the point that they gave home mortgages to people who had no jobs or equity JUST to collapse the system), the turning of the sexual revolution and civil rights movement towards identity politics and partisanship (Rand Corporation and the US federal government initiative). The goal of feminism wasn't to have both men and women working 60 hours a week to not afford their mortgage and only able to raise one kid. The goal of the civil rights movement wasn't to get a larger Black wealthy middle class and billionaire African Americans. The goal of nudism and naturism wasn't to turn gyms into exhibitionist eroticist pageant spaces. The goal of labour wasn't to get absurdly well paid jobs so well protected that the workers didn't need to show up in some cases. The goal of all these movements was emancipation and empowerment for ALL. Not at the expense of the guy or gal next to you... but by keeping the ratio between the average earner and the wealthiest earner in a decent range... for women that meant the right to work and for equal pay. For Black people the same... and to have the same opportunity for education finance and advancement politically as others . For nudist culture the right to share openly with others the lack of fear and social bonds that are genetically encoded by selection as things that we benefit from overwhelmingly and for all the end of stigma and fear of oppression and oppression overt and covert. Partisanship is artificial and the reason we have left and right is... the first democratic congress in Europe during modernity (post Renaissance/Enlightenment onward) was the French Revolutionary Assembly... and they couldn't use churches or palaces or existing buildings of the monarchy as the People's Assembly... but where do you put that body... necessarily larger than the kings privy council, lords or cabinet when it's brand new and no such buildings exist yet? They settled on the tennis courts of Louis XIV at Versailles. Not religious or a room of the autocracy of the monarchy... a dirt floored arena with two flanking sets of staggered seating... on the left side... and the right side. Those parties who sat to the right were more conservative and those to the left more liberal (in 18th century French Revolutionary terms, like Republicans were once the abolitionists and Democrats the less fervently so what's socially right or left has changed often and according to chance and direction/power plays. Why is this important? Because it is used to keep us nattering away at each other based on identity politics alone with one "side" saying that they represent authenticity and the other side representing chaos, none of which is true especially at the level of the individual citizen, and how much more is the other or the opposite person in the whim of the day unintelligible and inscrutable if they're clothed? How much easier is it to read into their costume and differences between their ways and yours and see for example a scarf on one as a threat but on another a sign of respect? The precise reason the powerful would socialize and bond nude was to radically equalize each other. Necessarily so when so many towering personalities and their mythologies are all in play in group dynamics... limiting those imposing and threatening barriers by making every man or woman or person equal to another and vulnerable and exposed has exactly the opposite effect... it makes the group stronger and more cohesive and reduces conflict. In all social primates. You don't have to like it. No one does. But I would ask myself seriously if it's really that we don't like it by nature or rather if we're being conditioned to. And if the latter is the case... is that something that any of us wants to support... and if so, why?

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 12, 2022

  Wow! I wonder what brought about that change.[quote]This morning, there was a young male, about upper 20s who has been on the same aisle as me in the locker room during the mornings for months. He has been a strict towel dancer as some put it for months. This morning when he came to the aisle, without saying anything, for the first time, he stripped naked at his locker and walked to the shower naked and carrying his towel. He did not say anything about it and neither did anyone else.[/quote]That's pretty dramatic.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 13, 2022

  I think I would try to talk to him outside of the locker room -- in the lobby, perhaps.

  That's a huge change. I'd be very curious what brought it about.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 13, 2022

  Oh, absolutely and without question.[quote]I prefer to act like nothing has changed until he brings it up.[/quote]Nonetheless, I would REALLY want to ask him about it. But I don't think there's really any way of bringing it up without sounding like a perv. In all likelihood, no matter what you say, it's going to sound like, "Wow, I've really been enjoying watching your cock flop around as you walk to and from the shower and towel off."

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• JO

  

  John

  Jan 13, 2022

  I think a simple remark along the lines of "I'm glad to see that somebody else isn't squeamish about being nude" would not be too out of line.

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• SA

  

  Stone Andy

  Jan 14, 2022

  Nudistpig, you're saying that social nudity makes the group stronger and more cohesive and reduces conflict. In all social primates. This is a "primate" form and very natural and all inclusive means of homosociality. It makes sense to make this natural way of socializing becomes forbidden in favor of creating fear and rifts between people.
  What you write, however, makes me realize that this rift is perhaps not an unfortunate consequence but rather an intention from the start. That's what makes a solo naked man so threatening in a locker room. It's not that he's necessarily and imposing beast or a creepy sexual deviant. Rather, he's voting with his pants how to stand up to having others control him. Yes, we need more of that iconoclastic vitality.

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• HO

  

  HotHarleyCouple

  Jan 14, 2022

  Question should be .....WHY?......Not just follow "their" simple rules?
  Why would you go out of your way, to leave the Shower Curtains "Open" in the First place?
  Im sure, that they would Love to have the water stay in the shower stall, as opposed to flowing freely all over the Locker Room.
  I think that we can all see, where this could be going.....and that is, that there are Guys out there, who are just as likely and even more so.....to be leaving the curtains wide open, in order to put on a Show, for another Male..... Who just might be looking for that sort of Fun.
  Same holds true for the Sauna or Steam Room........Having Males in there.....Hoping tp attract other Males for some FUN......is the sole reason, that they are trying to put those NEW RULES in place.
  I am sure, that even a Blind Man can see......where .....the "CUM" plaints.....are probably "CUM" ing from.
  It just takes one or two, FUN seekers.....to wreck it, for everyone else.
  Just because you Label yourself a Nudist, does not entitle you or them, to any Special treatment.
  The Good suffer for the Bad.
  You even mentioning to the Trainer, that guys are closing the Curtains so that they can Jerk Off behind them......is a really really weird thing to say to anyone, or ever think.
  And if they are......WHO CARES, what goes on behind a Closed shower curtain, or a Closed door!?
  It sounds as if you are at the Wrong type of Gym, for your own likes and dislikes.
  You might be a lot better off, either just Following their very simple RULES, or spending your Time at an All Male "Gay" Steam Bath.
  I am sure, that you can do what ever you are wanting to do, in their Showers or their Steam Rooms / Sauna's.
  Find something else or another place, that works for "YOU"!
  Pretty simple Fix.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 14, 2022

  It's the way it should be.[quote]Once again, this morning, he came back to the aisle from showering and he was naked and carrying his towel. When he got to the aisle, after unlocking and opening his locker, he dried off some more, including his hair, a lot of bending over and penis moving around as he dried off, and he remained naked the whole time. When he was satisfied, he put the towel on the bench until he left. He then sneezed and walked over to the sink to get a tissue and blow his nose and back, still naked, and walked back without saying anything. We said nothing. I think he is getting used to being naked in the locker room and no one saying anything or seeming to notice.[/quote]When I belonged to a men's athletic club in the 80s, most of the guys had no problem standing at a sink and shaving while nude or brushing their teeth or blow dry their hair or whatever. Men stood nude at the urinal to piss or they pissed while while taking a shower. No one wrapped up in a towel. The showers were in an open bay. Men weighed themselves while nude. The pool, hot tub, sauna, and steam room were all clothing-optional and few men even carried a towel with them in that area.

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• DE

  Derek

  Jan 15, 2022

  Similar experience in a holiday resort camp, not a gym, but a good outcome nevertheless. Whilst participating in a swim at a famous holiday camp in the UK, where there is no segregation of the sexes in the changing rooms, just unisex cubicles, I had this experience. My friend (female) and I on returning from the swim, found that all the cubicles were occupied. Therefore, we had no choice, after coming out of the shower, to dry off and dress in the areas available around the outside of the lockers, as other people were doing. Most of those doing so, were not paying particular attention to what they might be showing or maybe could see. No jobs worth around to complain, just people excepting it as natural. Many times I have been to various swimming baths, where we are segregated by sex, and no end of men will come out of the shower, after a swim naked., and remain in that state till they dry. No big deal. If most people were to have the mindset that the naked body is not a ghastly thing to see, such as the Germans and Swedish folk, then the world would be a different place altogether.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 15, 2022

  It's a sexual perversion.[quote]If most people were to have the mindset that the naked body is not a ghastly thing to see, such as the Germans and Swedish folk, then the world would be a different place altogether.[/quote]If someone is unable to view a human body in it's natural condition without becoming sexually aroused, that person suffers from a sexual perversion. Essentially all textiles freely admit to this sexual perversion.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 15, 2022

  You have forgotten your homework assignment.[quote]You just made that up.[/quote]Be positive and affirming. Ask questions to gain a better understanding. The world is not black and white. When you think you might disagree with someone, do not assume that your assessment of the situation is correct. History makes it clear that, in your case, it essentially never is.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 15, 2022

  You have forgotten your homework assignment.[quote]I believe in the scientific principal. That is black and white. You just dont make shit up to suit what you believe.[/quote]Be positive and affirming. Ask questions to gain a better understanding. The world is not black and white. When you think you might disagree with someone, do not assume that your assessment of the situation is correct. History makes it clear that, in your case, it essentially never is.

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• ME

  Member

  Jan 15, 2022

  Georgie didn't write them bill of rights, Tommy did and he, Ben and several other founding fathers took "air baths" regularly.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 15, 2022

  And that's exactly why it's impossible to have a rational conversation with you. You are one of those people who is absolutely convinced that 2 + 2 = banana. Why? Because you said so and you are convinced that you can never be wrong. This is your forte, This is what you do all the time.[quote]People who just make shit up believe 2+2=banana[/quote]You just make stuff up and are totally convinced that it's the absolute truth. Black and white, no discussion. You think you're right and everyone else in wrong.[quote]You cant have a real conversation with people who think banana trumps facts.[/quote]You have forgotten your homework assignment: Ask questions to gain a better understanding. The world is not black and white. When you think you might disagree with someone, do not assume that your assessment of the situation is correct. History makes it clear that, in your case, it essentially never is.

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• PA

  

  PaulOriginal Poster

  Jan 16, 2022

  Yes, in deed, you clearly are the proof you seek.[quote]Proof that entropy is increasing. Thank you.[/quote]You have forgotten your homework assignment. Be positive and affirming. Ask questions to gain a better understanding. The world is not black and white. When you think you might disagree with someone, do not assume that your assessment of the situation is correct. History makes it clear that, in your case, it essentially never is.

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• NU

  nudeyooper

  Jan 16, 2022

  [quote]Georgie didn't write them bill of rights, Tommy did and he, Ben and several other founding fathers took "air baths" regularly.[/quote] And at the time they were written and beyond, the right to bathe naked in the Potomac was not reserved just for the chief executive.

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