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Curt, or CowboySep 16, 2009[quote]Every guy would love more women involved in nudism, but it's just not gonna happen. Even the women who are into it, generally only feel safe as a couple or group.. so there will never be even an equal percentage of men versus women. [/quote] I keep seeing this, but it's not my experience. Am I just in an area where there are that many more single women ?ReactReply - RI
rikki-nudistSep 16, 2009I have genitalia- but I keep it in side...
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Miss_LindaSep 17, 2009[quote]Same dead horse.[/quote] Then why do you keep coming back here to post? The subject may be shelf worn to you, but it is new and interesting to at least some of us. Now, that being said... I don't really understand the rules some have against single males, whether it's a resort or a person here on True Nudists. There should be rules in place as to what kind of behavior is expected. As long as an individual can follow whatever standards are in place, then that's all that should matter. If they can't adhere to the rules, then kick them to the curb, but give them a chance first. I can't help but wonder how many resorts set their rules because a male owner only wanted to see more women than men?ReactReply - PH
PhilfreeeukSep 24, 2009EDIT POST #50. ....... "SELECT ALL" ......"CUT" ......"SUBMIT" ......... THAT SHOULD CLEAR IT, (FOR ALL AFFECTED POSTS) THEN "EDIT" AGAIN, AND REPOST YOUR MESSAGE.
ReactReply - PHPhilfreeeukSep 24, 2009[quote][quote][quote]TEST TWO[/quote] TEST THREE[/quote] Anybody? I tried Cuddlebutton's and Phil's suggestions. It's still not right. I'm bored with the thread, but.............[/quote] LOOKS LIKE JACK NOW NEEDS TO DO THE SAME TO #51 EDIT: Or maybe not!
ReactReply - PHPhilfreeeukSep 25, 2009[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]TEST TWO[/quote] TEST THREE[/quote] Anybody? I tried Cuddlebutton's and Phil's suggestions. It's still not right. I'm bored with the thread, but.............[/quote] LOOKS LIKE JACK NOW NEEDS TO DO THE SAME TO #51 EDIT: Or maybe not![/quote]
Hey Phil you did it. I don't know how you did it and I have a feeling you don't know either, but good job.[/quote]
Haha, ......I'd like to say, ..........
"thanks, it was just a little trick I picked up in the desert!" :)
"Just call me ACE!" .........
"I just love it when a plan comes together" :) ........
(miss the "A" team sooooooo much) :( ..........hehe, .......
or " some of us have got it, and some of us not :(
or even, " Well I AM a SUPERNUDIST!"
But the fact is, YOU did it. I think if Jack did the same it would fix the rest of it.
And I fancy that the problem does not carry over to the next page,
so I was just lucky that I got the first spot on this page. ...........
But anyway, ..... I AM, ..... still a GREAT chap,
it's just that people don't notice me :( ......
so thanks for the recognition! :)
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RMitchSep 25, 2009[quote]Well go out and find a girlfriend if your that worried about it.[/quote] We aren't all so fortunate to meet/have girlfriends who are into nudism. Generally, girls that openly like to be naked...don't stay single too long. I feel the entire concept of female and couples-only clubs and resorts directly discriminates against younger nudists, who are less likely to be involved in a relationship, while simoultaneously sexualizing the entire nature of the alleged "nudist" resort. Imagine nudism did not involve naked bodies, but rather, it was about...collecting coins. Would we then still ban single males, in favor of keeping a quota of female-to-male ratio? The answer is no. And why is that? (Rhetorical.)ReactReply - PHPhilfreeeukSep 25, 2009[quote][quote][quote]Well go out and find a girlfriend if your that worried about it.[/quote] We aren't all so fortunate to meet/have girlfriends who are into nudism. Generally, girls that openly like to be naked...don't stay single too long. I feel the entire concept of female and couples-only clubs and resorts directly discriminates against younger nudists, who are less likely to be involved in a relationship, while simoultaneously sexualizing the entire nature of the alleged "nudist" resort. Imagine nudism did not involve naked bodies, but rather, it was about...collecting coins. Would we then still ban single males, in favor of keeping a quota of female-to-male ratio? The answer is no. And why is that? (Rhetorical.)[/quote] I do not want single men looking at my girlfriends coins.[/quote] Haha, now you fixed the thread AND cracked a joke, Things ARE looking up!ReactReply
- MEMemberOct 27, 2009
I have read most of the posts on this topic and though i am new to nudism and have not been to any public places, i can agree from research and responses i have had by women and couples on this site.
It's basically a "Peter pays for Paul, and Paul pays for all" situation. From history and general interaction, women and some couples have been harrassed by single men , of a certain age group, and from that we all get put into that category. There are many women who are aggressive, but go unchecked which is unfair.
From quick research i did notice that men were either not allowed at some resorts or were charged more than some other groups. In an enclosed environment, i can see the need for a level of equality. But there must be some wiggle room for a few extra of either sex (just good business sense and a good gesture).Even on this site, a lot of women and couples victimize single men. Several state they are lesbians, Bisexual and Bicurious and do not want contact from single men. Hopefully this is based on personal experience and not on propaganda and tales from other bitter people. I have several lesbian, bisexual, gay and bicurious friends and none of us discriminate against each other. I personally have had a few conversations with as many as 5 women (of various sexual orientations) and i have not once said or done anything offensive. Isn't that strange..i thought single men were all pervs.
Basically i believe that each person should be given a chance to prove what sort of person he is and if he does not belong or causes trouble, then be asked to desist or leave.
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- GAgardenofeden212Dec 7, 2009[quote][quote]I would like to point out that it is not just clubs that will not allow single males. There are a number of profiles on this site that say couples or females only can be our friend. I think it is the members of the clubs that help make club policy. Sunlover[/quote] It's one thing to discriminate against single males at resorts. It's quite another to protect one's self online from the fakes and pic collectors. At a resort, they get ID, and pretty much confirm who a person is. In here, we get 20-30 friend requests a week from guys, 90% of whom we've never talked to in chat, never sent us a message, and who have given us nothing to go on. Most can't give me a hint of bonafides.[/quote] Would you have a problem with a friend request from a woman that you never spoke to in chat or has no information about herself?ReactReply
- MEMemberDec 7, 2009[quote][quote][quote]I would like to point out that it is not just clubs that will not allow single males. There are a number of profiles on this site that say couples or females only can be our friend. I think it is the members of the clubs that help make club policy. Sunlover[/quote] It's one thing to discriminate against single males at resorts. It's quite another to protect one's self online from the fakes and pic collectors. At a resort, they get ID, and pretty much confirm who a person is. In here, we get 20-30 friend requests a week from guys, 90% of whom we've never talked to in chat, never sent us a message, and who have given us nothing to go on. Most can't give me a hint of bonafides.[/quote] Would you have a problem with a friend request from a woman that you never spoke to in chat or has no information about herself?[/quote] Actually? Yes I do. And did. Unless I have seen her in the chat room or forums Yes! Defiantly ( special exception reserved for Elizabeth Harley though… if you see her here , let me know…)ReactReply
- GAgardenofeden212Dec 7, 2009
Bman 2000 and NudeinMa
I can tell from reading your profiles that you two are fair and treat everybody equally. My question was directed at hypocrites, most of whom are couples, who made it very clear that they do not want to meet single men, to 'protect themselves'. This includes the couple who's quote I was responding to...RabbitnBunny.
And I agree with what NudeInMa said about guys pretending to be women, but look at this way, how many of them would still do it if nobody would reject them just because they were single guys.ReactReply - MEMemberDec 7, 2009[quote]Bman 2000 and NudeinMa I can tell from reading your profiles that you two are fair and treat everybody equally. My question was directed at hypocrites, most of whom are couples, who made it very clear that they do not want to meet single men, to 'protect themselves'. This includes the couple who's quote I was responding to...RabbitnBunny. And I agree with what NudeInMa said about guys pretending to be women, but look at this way, how many of them would still do it if nobody would reject them just because they were single guys.[/quote] Guys pretending being a women? Well , that’s the chicken and egg question. I guess it all started when the first perv presented himself to the first chat room.ReactReply
- MEMemberDec 7, 2009
and beside that…
if a women doesn’t want to talk to a guy , she doesn’t want to talk to a guy!
Do you really think that by posting as a women he can get anything? she will do what?????
Date him? Bare his children’s?
Best case scenario she will fall in love in that “women” and go gay…
Worst case scenario he will end up in jail, depends how far he took it . ( even on the web , imposing is an offence, at least in some countries)
It’s a lose - lose situation.
And by the way , check the profiles here , see how many guys , specially young ones “collect” female friends.
How do you want a women to take seriously a guy like that?ReactReply - RO
RoosterockDec 7, 2009I feel that if clubs, and nudist resorts open to everyone that you would have mostly males. They would be making the women their uncomfortable by watching or showing them perverted actions. The other males would be there for the males that are gay. You would have a few that was there for the true meaning of being a nudist. Tercota has the best solution and it seems to be very sucessful the way they do it and I for one appraise it. I am single but I have not problem with it because I can see what would happen.
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Wilgolden, you have a problem. There are women who go with guys that are fat, bald, handicap. It seems you need councling for your problem.
ReactReply - GAgardenofeden212Dec 7, 2009
So answer these questions bman?
Why doesn’t a woman want to talk to a guy? I understand if a guy is bothering her, she can either ignore him or cancel their friendship. But why is it okay to say I’m not looking for single guys?
You were asking what would a guy get by posting as a woman? Any guy who posts as a woman or a couple will get more friends. That is my point. There are guys who want to network and will be rejected by a significant number of members here for no reason other than that he is a guy and he doesn’t have a wife or girlfriend.
As for your point about guys who are collecting female friends…what are they doing that is so different from anyone man, woman, or couple who says “I’m looking for couples or females”. Both of them are being selective with their friends. So if one is wrong, so is the other. And my opinion is that those guys who are just looking for female friends at least have a better reason for being selective than nudists who reject single men. The first case is being selective because of sexual attraction. The second one is being selective because of prejudice.
Roosterock
What I’m hearing from your response is that nudist clubs cannot accept everybody who’s interested because they will have too many men. If that’s the natural demographic of nudism, whose fault is that? Is it anybody’s fault?
Not all women have a problem seeing too many men. Just like in the textile world, beautiful women get stared at all the time. Some like it, some hate it, some don’t care…they’re not all the same. Where’s the sense in banning the majority of those who are interested in something because a small number of people will feel uncomfortable? Some people are uncomfortable around blacks. Should they be banned as well?
What about ballet clubs? If they allowed anybody to join, you’d have mostly girls and boys would be afraid to join because they’d be afraid of getting laughed at or mocked by classmates. Why don’t the clubs just ban girls from dancing unless they have a partner? Because it’s not their fault that people mock boys who like dancing. And it’s not the fault of all single guys if some of them are perverted. In this day and age, normal clubs ban people according to their conduct, not based on attributes.
To me, this sounds like club owners are rejecting a natural demographic in favour of a desired one, which makes me wonder who the real gawkers are.ReactReply - MEMemberDec 7, 2009
One more thing.
You really want to understand what goes thru a women’s mind in that situation?
Assuming you are straight , try going to a gay club .
I bet you that within 15 minutes you will run out , go home , get in bed and cry yourself to sleep.
Then let me know what is your opinion about women and their ( rightfully) selective behavior!ReactReply - COCurt, or CowboyDec 7, 2009
Please see my posts #17, 18, and 19. ( before I knew how to combine them )
There are single females, and couples, in my friends list who have VERY clearly stated on their profiles "no single men"
How did this happen ?
Simply because they've gotten to know *me* as me, not as a part of the mob.
Somewhere on these forum, in one of the MANY threads about single men, I've got a post about how the poor woman being
bombarded by the "single men" friend requests doesn't have time to figure out who's decent, and who's a perv, so we
( the real and decent single men ) are tossed out with the bathwater en-mass. It's not her fault !! ( or theirs, if a couple )
The resorts have the same problems. Some choose an extremist way to deal with it. Others are more reasonable.
My point is that I strive to be judged by MY conduct, and overcome the prejudice. Not too difficult, really, though I do
resent that I HAVE to. Such is life.........ReactReply - GAgardenofeden212Dec 7, 2009Curt, thanks for responding. I agree with some of what you said. The beauty of this situation, though, is that the woman or couple does not need to sort out who's good or bad. A bad guy will present himself through his actions. Sure, its more work to give every guy a chance and then reject the ones who do something bad, but it's the right thing to do. There's no physical danger here. I agree that resorts cannot determine in advance which man is good or bad. But the fact is they cannot do so with women either. If a woman behaves inappropriately, they will kick her out. But before she behaved inappropriately, nobody rejected her because of what shemightdo. It's not asking too much to treat everybody the same way. Furthermore, I don't understand why a woman is suffering so much if she's receiving too many friend requests. Whichever guy has the wrong reasons for approaching her is mostly hurting himself by making himself appear shallow. I imagine how I would feel if countless women befriended me online for no reason other than my body. Is it shallow? Yes. Does it upset me? Personally, no. I can respect anybody who feels annoyed by it, but I would not call it hurtful. Can it be as bad, or worse than, being labelled negatively by a large group because of the actions of someone else. I would take shallow attention from women any day before rejection due to stereotype. What I'm seeing here is that receiving too many friend requests is such a horrendous experience that any reaction is forgivable, if not justified, including stereotype and selective communication. This is a notion that I disagree with. I believe that any man or woman who resorts to generalization has no more depth than the same guys they're criticizing for being pervs.ReactReply
- MEMemberDec 7, 2009
Dear friend.
It seems to me (and I might misunderstand) that you have seen my response as a personal attack on you.
If so, forgive me , that was not my intention.( I guess this is the place to mention English is not my first language, I am not just a “bad speller” )
You seem like a very intelligent young man who has a very noble concept of how the world should be and for now you are well in the range of “exception” (for the good)
However , there are some facts that I wish I was wrong about them but ungratefully – I am probably not.
In a perfect world, you might have been right.
In this world, if you want to break a stereotype, you have to work very hard for it.
Therefore ( and again generalizing)I have some fact for you:
• Most creeps are men.
• Usually when a women is surrounded by men she will be intimidated in some level.
• Usually in any group of men , one of them (or more) will think how to make a “move”
• Private club is a private club.
• Young men in your age ARE HORMONAL AND HORNEY.
• In a gay club , they would treat you like a fresh meet!(and that’s what I ment before)
• In a gay club YOU WOULD scream “ don’t talk to me” or you will leave.
• Most of the single guys here specially at your age come here for a totally other reason than nudism.
And again , generalizing : ***If men were judged according to their conduct and not gender, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.***
“our” ( men in general ) conduct is exactly why we are having this conversation!
My advice to you:
Keep it up ( your conduct so far) and you will be a very popular guy here in the forum , don’t mistake disagreement with your opinion for a rejection.
Post a bit about yourself in your profile and put some pics ( preferably , get certify )
For now , even though I am not the “judge” here , nor the welcome comity , I think that you’ll do just fine.
With all honesty I welcome you to TN
Ah… yes , get out of the “men’s room” , you’ll find the women’s responses much more interesting then mine…
Regards.
Bman2000ReactReply - MEMemberDec 7, 2009
*** Up to now, I have not violated any of the rules on this site and I have already made friends. But a large number of people are saying, no single men.***
Ignore that!
It’s a logical preventive measure.( not accepting men at all )
I know you cant understand the logic behind that , in a month here you will.
Within a few days a new perv will show his face here and then much of the bizarre will be logical to you.ReactReply - MEMemberDec 7, 2009Jen… notty notty… This is the mens room. Kidding. thanks for your much needed point of view. Bman.
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