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MichaelOriginal Poster
Nov 18, 2022I saw a man on a nude beach wearing a penis ring. Any thoughts?
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- EA
Nov 18, 2022The person may have been nude but not a nudist/naturist IMO. Penis rings serve a sexual function which has nothing to do with naturism/nudism. You can find all kinds of people on a nude public beach and many here who think this is perfectly aligned with nudism I for one do not.
ReactReply - BB
Nov 19, 2022People have been using a variety of methods to decorate their bodies since long before the beginning of recorded history, and it continues to this day. While I would never wear any sort of adornment on my penis, I think that everyone should be free to do so, if they choose. It has no impact on me.
The same is true of piercings and tattoos. I dont understand why anyone would want to do that, but if thats what you want to do, have at it. If someones behavior doesnt affect me, I see no reason to object to it.
ReactReply - PA
Nov 19, 2022People have been wearing jewelry of all sorts for thousands of years. Genital decorations are nothing new. I'm not likely to give it any more thought that I would a necklace or bracelet.
I don't get all bent out of shape over things that are none of my business, none of my concern, and that don't affect me.
ReactReply - ST
Nov 19, 2022Depending on the day I may be comparing his with mine! I just like the feeling of wearing them and even the look as someone who otherwise is not into jewellery. Nothing more than that. Hopefully others like the look or at least don't mind, if I'm only wearing a ring or two and a smile.
ReactReply - NP
Nov 19, 2022When you say penis ring, do you mean a cock ring or penis jewelry? I have a pubic, scrotal and foreskin piercing as well as a penis tattoo. For me, it's not sexual but instead just decorations, or adornment. for my genitals.
ReactReply - GT
Nov 19, 2022[quote]When you say penis ring, do you mean a cock ring or penis jewelry? I have a pubic, scrotal and foreskin piercing as well as a penis tattoo. For me, it's not sexual but instead just decorations, or adornment. for my genitals. [/quote] I love my genital decoration and dont see why clubs look down or prohibit it but tattoos even suggestive ones are ok. Nudists should be more tolerant.ReactReply - EANov 19, 2022
Love folks who say its just decoration without talking about why we decorate body parts like our genitalia. SMH
The self expression argument is a reflection of the times we are in where I is more important than we. I want to show off my penis so I should be able to do whatever I ant because thats what matters most.
While I have seen the occasion genital piercing in a naturist setting on both women and men it is by no means common place. So please is you are going to suggest it is share the places times and people where this is true.
ReactReply - JI
Nov 19, 2022[quote]I saw a man on a nude beach wearing a penis ring. Any thoughts?[/quote] These peircings are very common among a wide swath of the population with senior citizens being almost as likely to have one or more genital or body peircings as youth in their 20's. You saw it which means you were looking at his genitals, and that's always interesting to me, because I look at people's faces and often miss these things the first time or second time. Even nipple rings. The second question is what kind of beach? FKK, NKK, naturist with posted rules, or some kind of clothing optional on the range? Because lots of people have different views on what is and is not appropriate for the beach and if it's not a designated or posted and regulated environment, you can't expect things to suit your taste fully or even to not witness difference that might be confusing. My third question is, HOW was he wearing it? Was he thrusting his hips making it wag side to side (it's really obvious when someone is being s ex pest nuisance by parading around like a chippendales) or was he just walking sitting swimming etc? Ear peircings although common have a sexual connotation deeply so in the history of human culture. For millenia. And while we're used to one, and not the other the reason my mother still doesn't have peirced ears is for the reason I just mentioned. It's a penetration. And that signifies something she as a very observant protestant scot does not associate herself with. Penis rings are no different they are just in a different place. Just like the penis isn't sexual when unerect the ring is just a ring unless it's doing something else on the end of an erection and sure that connotation is there but so are any of the connotations betwen bodies and sex and the whole point naturism as it's articulated here is advancing is not to make those connections. I submit it's either or not some of one and not some of the other. And, there are still some men who have that PA (or prince albert) but rarely because they are mounted cavalry with swords and this ring invented by Queen Victoria's consort Prince Albert of Belgium allowed men to secure the penis away from the side where there could be a slip of a sword and the end of a paternal line, and also in battle, this was a favourite tactic of the nobles against nobles, neuter a prince, end a dynasty. It's rare to see it from this exact historical POV but many who are formal riders in Europe and NA get it as a rite of passage and as a symbol of the serious role the cavalry played and still does in some few circumstances in the history of the West. Also, most guys appeciate the extra questions and interest when its first arrived but soon tire of that and it, like a moustache or a haircut or tattoo goes into being part of the person and unremarkable. The other thing despite what I just said is to ask politely, excuse me but I am confused or maybe just new to this, would you be comfortable sharing why you wear that ring and if its not possible to remove it, I was always taught it was a sexualization but not by those wearing them... and, most will answer, (the reason you dont remove is that until it is gagued up to a safe size the hole will heal over fast and cause no end of misery. The wire to hoop to double and quad hoop size are too small to effectively prevent a cut or a tear if the ring is pulled, so those are all temporaries on the way to the final size, and this can take two to three or more years for some, and during this whole time you may not remove it for more than a few minutes to an hour. Some clubs have rules forbidding genital jewelry and that's fine because they are posted and part of the membership process, totally fair and fair warning. My view otherwise is that barring posted or institutional rules that are known and enforced by all and a supervising body, what other people do with their bodies is their business. I try not to worry about it unless there's something really off the charts in terms of in my face nonsense and not avoidable or lewd or harrassing behavior.ReactReply - WE
Nov 19, 2022Yes it is ok. people have neckless etc. nothing especial in nudist. Even i myself have ring.
ReactReply - PANov 19, 2022[quote]Nudists should be more tolerant.[/quote]In some respects, nudist are the most tolerant people on the planet. In others, they are absurdly intolerant. For some, a boner is entirely intolerable. I've been told many resorts will ban a man for having one. TN seems to be moving towards greater tolerance -- looking at the whole image and not focusing on one part.ReactReply
- JINov 19, 2022[quote]Nudists should be more tolerant. In some respects, nudist are the most tolerant people on the planet. In others, they are absurdly intolerant. For some, a boner is entirely intolerable. I've been told many resorts will ban a man for having one. TN seems to be moving towards greater tolerance -- looking at the whole image and not focusing on one part.[/quote] I just have issue with the idea that opinions about what other people do with their bodies in public should matter. Each of us to our own bodies, the others can make their own decisions.ReactReply
- PANov 19, 2022[quote]I just have issue with the idea that opinions about what other people do with their bodies in public should matter. Each of us to our own bodies, the others can make their own decisions.[/quote]I agree completely. Does their behavior abridge or violate any of my rights, am I being harmed, is my property being damaged? If not, then it's none of my concern; it doesn't affect me; it's none of my business.ReactReply
- JINov 19, 2022[quote]When you say penis ring, do you mean a cock ring or penis jewelry? I have a pubic, scrotal and foreskin piercing as well as a penis tattoo. For me, it's not sexual but instead just decorations, or adornment. for my genitals. I love my genital decoration and dont see why clubs look down or prohibit it but tattoos even suggestive ones are ok. Nudists should be more tolerant.[/quote] I think also given what other men have said, that for the vast history of human beings being nude which is almost a million years and with adornments for at least 250,000 the version of naturism that says its wrong is.... barely 50 years old. There's the usual dose of cultural imperialism in there, and some hubris. One of the major, major flaws of this naturism or these naturists is that they cannot restrain themselves for deciding for others what is right and wrong in any space someone else's home public a foreign country, it's absurd. This kind of social control or the desire for it is what we expect from very extreme religious sects not nudists or naturists. The entire premise was to get away from judgment and approbation and yet here we are with people who don't have don't know and don't want to, expressing opinions about the internal state of others they cannot have a clue about. If it's not your beach, your home, your club and you didn't ask the other person who was not being declarative in one way or the other, first off none of your business go elswhere if that is bothering you, and number two, you dont know. Mind reading is not a skill anyone here possesses. I don't understand the point, none of this was expressed in the moment, so you fumed and fretted about it until you could regurgiate it here, and what good has that done? Start a thread where you share your views from your experience of not being peirced and be positive about it and don't mention others if it matters. Why do none of you ever do that? It's not hard, and its more constructive than whinging.ReactReply
- EANov 19, 2022[quote] No part of the human body is inherently sexual. This is borne out by the fact that different societies sexualize different parts of the body. In some soci The Bakairi tribe in Brazil believe that eating is a shameful activity that should only be done in private. [/quote] Didnt know we were talking about Brazilian tribes? Anyway my response to the idea that part of the body is sexual is someone ole folks in my community often say. Common sense isnt all that common anymore.ReactReply
- PANov 19, 2022[quote]Didnt know we were talking about Brazilian tribes? Anyway my response to the idea that part of the body is sexual is someone ole folks in my community often say. Common sense isnt all that common anymore.[/quote] The case of the Bakairi tribe was giving as an example.
And a member of that tribe would "know" that the shame of eating is merely common sense. Of course it's shameful. And that's no different from claiming that any particular organ is dirty and shameful -- inherently sexual. The truth is, common sense clearly dictates that no part of the human body is dirty, shameful, or inherently sexual.
Regardless, if you are not being harmed, if your rights are not being violated, if your property is not being damaged, it's none of your business -- there cannot be a clearer case of common sense. Are you like my brother? Do you believe you are being physical harmed by people who disagree with you?ReactReply - OS
Nov 19, 2022His argument is definitely coming across as "I don't like that and so it's obviously wrong and shouldn't be allowed". My father was adamant in teaching us the golden rule of "mind your own business", especially when it's not harming you in any way. So some man's penis has a shiny bit of metal on it, or a woman's nipples have hoops through them...who cares? No need to go clutching one's pearls over something so insignificant. It's a piece of jewelry, meant to enhance that person's look or self love or even sexual pleasure. But as long as they aren't actively having sex in front of you then that jewelry is no more sexual than a wedding band. I mean he is arguing a piece of metal is sexual, while he stares at another man's penis?
ReactReply - BR
Nov 19, 2022Can we not just agree,body adournments are not new, each to there own, if you're gonna visit naturist sites/ beaches, you are gonna see the whole spectrum of bodies and whatever they want to do with them, be it tattoos, jewelery, piercings, you're not gonna die cos someone has a pierced cock, chill out, live and let live
ReactReply - JINov 19, 2022[quote](Rolls eyes)[/quote] I mean you're right about the question and why.I dont think anyone missed it "what about the dirty precious my question" cheap thrill drive I just can't be bothered to call them all out its the planet on the internet, its cheap innuendo all over. But eyeroll away its not the wrong response.ReactReply
- BRNov 19, 2022
It'd be a fckn boring world if everyone adhered to the same values and ideals, if it doesn't affect me people can do what they want..
ReactReply - EANov 19, 2022Nowhere in my comment did I say anything about being offended but that is what you all you have intentions that you know will be offensive project. Go back a read instead of projecting.
Bringing other cultures as relevant is an adventure in missing the point. In most indigenous cultures nonsexual nudity is not an issue because people often live clothes free. To try to make a corollary with a tribe that eats if private is a distraction nothing else.
Why not speak to the to examples I gave. Those are western cultures similar to US where naturism is growing while here in US it is shrinking.
For the person seeking research please share which of the points I made you want research to validate and I will provide it.
Here is one but regarding the growth of nudism in UK where the national organization has worked hard to get legal authorities to agree that public nudity with no sexual intent or intention to offend is legal
[url][link]https://www.truenudists.com/link/5e78a3d31d496d7e/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQuY28udWsvbmV3cy91ay9ob21lLW5ld3MvYnJpdGlzaC1uYXR1cmlzbS1udWRpc3RzLWluY3JlYXNlLWIyMjAzMzg4Lmh0bWw%3D[/link]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-naturism-nudists-increase-b2203388.html[/url]ReactReply - EANov 19, 2022Since Wikipedia is often used to define nudism by some here is definition/description of col rings that subtitle as a sexual device.
[em]A cock ring or cockring (also called a C ring, erection ring, penis ring, shaft ring, tension ring, or Arab strap) is a ring worn around the penis, usually at the base. The primary purpose of wearing a cock ring is to restrict the flow of blood from the erect penis to produce a stronger erection or to maintain an erection for a longer period of time. Genital adornment is another purpose, as is repositioning the genitals to provide an enhanced appearance.[/em]
[url][link]https://www.truenudists.com/link/618b00ffaf02bfdb/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvQ29ja19yaW5n[/link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_ring[/url]
Genital piercings have a richer history and are present in non western cultures where social nudity is commonplace as an adornment. According to Wikipedia in western cultures they have sexual connotation
[em]Like body piercings at large, genital piercings are often done for aesthetic reasons and as an expression of personal style. In addition, some (but not all) types of genital piercing increase sensitivity and provide additional stimulation during sexual intercourse or stimulation[/em]
[url][link]https://www.truenudists.com/link/6e08bd785deafebe/aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvR2VuaXRhbF9waWVyY2luZw%3D%3D[/link]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genital_piercing[/url]
[em]Of course, there are indigenous peoples in the Amazon rainforest, in sub-Saharan Africa, and especially in Papua New Guinea in which men wear a koteka (penis gourd) or penis sheath ( Figure 3.3 ). Functionally, it was made to protect the genitals while working and hunting in the forest, but it also serves to cover them for moral reasons. It is not worn as a sexual display element; it is made to cover the genitals in order not to become ashamed. When a man puts on a new koteka , he turns his back to the other men in order to hide his penis from their eyes. There are also indigenous peoples who do not wear anything. They also feel ashamed, but they did not necessarily develop clothes to cover their genitals; rather, they developed social rules that prohibited looking directly at the genitals. The interpretation that this is clothing in a wider sense 21 lacks any evidence. The esthetic-sexual reason: There is no evidence that humans have an instinct for adornment, and it is also not clear what role adornment plays in the context of nudity and clothing.[/em]
TY - CHAP AU - Allolio-Ncke, Lars PY - 2019/01/01 SP - SN - 978-0-5676-7847-8 T1 - Clothing and Nudity from the Perspective of Anthropological Studies DO - 10.5040/9780567678508.ch-003 ER - Clothing and Nudity from the Perspective of Anthropological Studies - Lars Allolio-Ncke
Friedrich-Alexander-University of Erlangen-Nrnberg
To summarize body adornment is a thing in many cultures that also practice social nudity and in that context there is no sexual connotation. So as I have said before context is everything when it comes to social nudity behavior vs nudism and naturism. Nudism and naturism used to have norms just like any other movement and practice. So were discriminatory and outdated and no longer apply others have been abandoned as focus has shifted from a way to life that includes social nudity to a state of being or condition of nudity.
First image Public Domain
Second CC BY-SA 3.0
File:COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM 'Twee Kenyah-Dajaks met een penis-staafje de linker heeft tevens een oorbel van houtsnijwerk Borneo' TMnr 10005628.jpg
Created: circa 1920 date QS:P,+1920-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1480,Q5727902ReactReply - JINov 19, 2022[quote]No part of the human body is inherently sexual. This is borne out by the fact that different societies sexualize different parts of the body. In some sociThe Bakairi tribe in Brazil believe that eating is a shameful activity that should only be done in private. Didnt know we were talking about Brazilian tribes? Anyway my response to the idea that part of the body is sexual is someone ole folks in my community often say. Common sense isnt all that common anymore.[/quote] You make a really good attempt at missing the point by appealing to the senility of edwardian and wartime seniors who thought ankles were slutty. The fundamental point of naturism as expounded ad nauseam on this site is that NONE OF THE HUMAN BODY IS INHERENTLY SEXUAL. So help me here, without the whales of august, if the penis of which you or a man you know has is INHERENTLY SEXUAL then how the flipping fluck do you get a NON SEXUAL NATURISM with AN INHERENTLY SEXUAL PENIS? Don't even try, you can't. Either it is or it isnt and if the part is sexual then the whole is otherwise you detach it and leave it at home perhaps? So, no, that doesn't fly. He's a sleaze for having a penis but I am not for also having a penis is the worst kind of sophism. Before asking why that tribe is RELEVANT. TRY READING FIRST. The point he is making is that cultural values about what is offensive and not, erotic and not, male or female and everything else is not a fixed value but something that floats and changes and is never the same for two people, let alone two cultures, so trying to make an absolute for all time and all places statement about what something means to you isnt acceptable or consistent with reality. Your belief is not reflective of anyting but your belief. You need to inquire as to whether your belief has any foundation and any scientific cultural or even pop sci cultural value before asserting it as fact for all times and all peoples. The seniles notwithstanding youd be surprised with what they get up to in those places. And you're wrong. Either that or the actual education and research and professional experience and degrees and what I can freaking read online right now from reputable research organizations and in e books? All of anthropology since Malinowsky and Mead took a tumble from the idea that they could look at a culture that wasnt theirs and know it. This is exactly that. If you dont know the language you cant understand the text.ReactReply
- EANov 19, 2022[quote]Before asking why that tribe is RELEVANT. TRY READING FIRST.[/quote]
You are correct in saying the human body as a whole is not inherently sexual I agree wholeheartedly and completely. However the OP didnt ask about the human body as a whole. And I didnt refer to the human body as a whole being sexual. I specifically referred to specific parts.
I read and we are talking about other cultures we are talking about western culture so it is irrelevant it is a distraction and an attempt to avoid responding to the actual points I have made that come from western cultures..
However since you feel it necessary to bring in other cultures I have added more research documented information about genital jewelry in indigenous cultures which is a direct connection rather than equating eating in private and genital jewelry.
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