I saw a man on a nude beach wearing a penis ring. Any thoughts?
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- MEMemberJul 4, 2024As an adder to Stevie's comment, "Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and that's the problem."is exactly the issue. Regardless of what anyone may want to believe, adding a bling factor to your genitals is an attempt to draw attention, period. That's why they're made. Otherwise, all the efforts, similarly designed, at advertising would go for naught. On the point presented by Voodoomagik about his resort having numerous folks with genital adornments, that is obviously true based upon his observation. But the likely causality is group 'self selection'. Per the generic definition, "especially : to opt in or out of something (such as a group, activity, or category) in accordance with one's personality, interests, etc.." The people that are comfortable with that environment choose to be there and the others opt out. You're not seeing the whole pool of potential nudist members, just the ones comfortable with the, most probably, known environment. Added proof can be easily observed here on TN as the spoofers, fakes, assorted 'comfort people' and generic perverts have been more prevalent in daily interactions here on the site. The folks more tolerant of that activity are staying while the balance are slowly disappearing. Cases can be made for all of it, but the declining numbers here and disappearing public venues are 'prima facie' evidence that cannot be refuted.Keep it natural and have a better chance of keeping the spaces.ReactReply
- EA
Jul 4, 2024This is the truth that none of the pro genital jewelry people want to address. And that is a large part of the issue. They don't want to address it because they know its the truth so they skirt around it, obfuscate, conflate and talk about individual experiences that they generalize to everyone else. They do everything but address the issue. [quote]As an adder to Stevie's comment, "Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and that's the problem." is exactly the issue. Regardless of what anyone may want to believe, adding a bling factor to your genitals is an attempt to draw attention, period. That's why they're made. Otherwise, all the efforts, similarly designed, at advertising would go for naught.[/quote]ReactReply - EAJul 4, 2024
Making the point that one individual experience at one unnamed "family" resort can be generalized to every other resort and every other nudist situation is like saying one time I was is a garage and there were other cars there and I felt like a car. So everybody who goes into a with cars should feel like a car. Huh?
ReactReply - JO
Jul 4, 2024StevieLorna wrote responding to my quote: [quote]"Well, maybe I am. Or maybe I just see people at face value, without a lot of pre-judgment. I dunno." Woodsman your statement is an oxymoron. By saying you have accepted people at face value is also a judgment on their character.[/quote] I guess it could be taken that way. What I meant to say is that if a person is simply wearing a plain cock ring, I'm not going to make a value judgment on his morals or his character. I'm going to wait to see if he goes out of his way to be sexually aggressive, socially obnoxious, or in-my-face about it. That's when I'll make an analysis of his character. [quote]Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and thats the problem.[/quote] Maybe that's true of most people, and I'll grant that it could be taken as grounds for suspicion in some circumstances. But as I mentioned before, any sort of pubic adornment is a grey area. I've seen more than a few ladies with a "landing strip" shave, with a bit of hair remaining above the vulva but shaved clean elsewhere. I can't imagine that it's for comfort. It clearly signals to me that the woman wants to call attention to her pubic cleft. But am I to assume that the woman is trolling for sexual contact? Or maybe she's seen it on other women and just likes the look? Some men shave their pubic area, and say that it's for comfort. Others do it to make their junk look bigger. But in the latter case, are they signaling that they're ready for sex, or do they just like the look of having a longer penis? When women shave their pubic area, is it for comfort or because they want people to take their shaven pubes as a sign that they're out for promiscuity? If we draw the line at cock rings, fine, we draw the line there. But there are many other potential lines to be drawn, and many other reasons for supposing that people are signaling more than just a love of self and a love of nudity. My real concern is that, once we start drawing these lines, we are tempted to draw others, about pubic hair, tattoos, or even haircuts. (Is that far-fetched? I remember a time when long hair was definitely a symbol of the counter-culture, to the point where I was once spit on simply because I had long hair then.) I'm talking, of course, about how we regard ourselves. How others regard us, including the people who share beaches with us or with public magistrates who dictate the bounds of propriety, is something else again. We have to be sensitive to those feelings, too, particularly when our right to use those beaches is at stake. I don't think there's any disagreement there.ReactReply - OS
Jul 4, 2024[quote]StevieLorna wrote responding to my quote: Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and thats the problem. Maybe that's true of most people, and I'll grant that it could be taken as grounds for suspicion in some circumstances. But as I mentioned before, any sort of pubic adornment is a grey area. I've seen more than a few ladies with a "landing strip" shave, with a bit of hair remaining above the vulva but shaved clean elsewhere. I can't imagine that it's for comfort. It clearly signals to me that the woman wants to call attention to her pubic cleft. But am I to assume that the woman is trolling for sexual contact? Or maybe she's seen it on other women and just likes the look? Some men shave their pubic area, and say that it's for comfort. Others do it to make their junk look bigger. But in the latter case, are they signaling that they're ready for sex, or do they just like the look of having a longer penis? When women shave their pubic area, is it for comfort or because they want people to take their shaven pubes as a sign that they're out for promiscuity? If we draw the line at cock rings, fine, we draw the line there. But there are many other potential lines to be drawn, and many other reasons for supposing that people are signaling more than just a love of self and a love of nudity. My real concern is that, once we start drawing these lines, we are tempted to draw others, about pubic hair, tattoos, or even haircuts. (Is that far-fetched? I remember a time when long hair was definitely a symbol of the counter-culture, to the point where I was once spit on simply because I had long hair then.) I'm talking, of course, about how we regard ourselves. How others regard us, including the people who share beaches with us or with public magistrates who dictate the bounds of propriety, is something else again. We have to be sensitive to those feelings, too, particularly when our right to use those beaches is at stake. I don't think there's any disagreement there.[/quote] This is exactly it. These people want genital piercings and cock rings to be the scapegoat for the nudist community. When in reality the decline of public nudist spaces is due to people behaving poorly in public, overt sexual acts in public, etc. And those two things are not one in the same. Obviously they think genital piercings and jewelry equates to sexual deviants and they want to believe that that is what's causing the decline in nudist populations and public nude venues. A man having a Prince Albert ring, or a woman having her clitoris pierced doesn't equate to swinging and sexual promiscuity anymore than a person shaving bare to make their genitals more visible. Or as you said, one shaving a certain design into their genitals, obviously they went out of their way to shave in a landing strip, or a triangle patch of pubes...does that mean they are looking for sex? Of course not. And its absolutely ignorant for people to think that.ReactReply - EAJul 5, 2024
The scapegoat argument is a total false flag. I could use another phrase but I will keep it civil. Facts are facts. The nudist community is the one being scapegoated. Mainstream society sees the guys on public beaches wearing a "simple cock ring" and they move to a precursor to sex. It doesnt matter what the nudist community thinks at that point get your facts straight and stop all the deceptive projection. Why is it you all never speak to the real issue. No one can tell you what to do or wear in the privacy of your own home. But a beach is not a private space and in every civilized society their a norms for what is appropriate in a public spaces.
We are losing so many of the spaces for simple nudity while all the individual people who want to put their individual "comfort" and personal desires above all the people who just want to being clothes free at the beach with friends and family. There was a simple thread on Reddit and it didnt take long for several examples to be pointed where c/o places were ruined for everyone because of this craziness. But I suspect the c ringers dont really care.
ReactReply - ST
Jul 5, 2024[quote]. But I suspect the c ringers dont really care.[/quote] The simple fact is the guy whos wearing old washing machine parts on his cock and balls will never concede is sexual. Everyone else thinks it is. So when all the nudist spaces are gone, itll be because of all these people in hats or with haircuts that ruined it. Woodsman, the excuses after excuses is embarrassing, Im sorry.ReactReply - JOJul 5, 2024[quote]. So when all the nudist spaces are gone, itll be because of all these people in hats or with haircuts that ruined it. Woodsman, the excuses after excuses is embarrassing, Im sorry.[/quote] If I'm making the same point over and over, it's because I don't think I'm properly getting my message across. I apologize for that. And I do maintain that when we lose all those nudist spaces, it's because of people who are acting badly with sexual misconduct or making unwanted advances to other people, not people who wear jewelry that mainstream nudists frown on. If you truly sense that the mere wearing of genital jewelry is enough to get a beach closed down by public authorities, then by all means discourage it... not because it's a betrayal of nudist beliefs or sentiments of personal freedom, but because the Powers That Be at that particular beach have dictated it. "When in Rome..." Same for resorts, who have a lot more power to boot somebody who's out of line with their philosophy. Maybe it's time for a frank talk with the authorities, to ask them what they consider out of line. I know of one nudist beach around here (I forget the name of it offhand, but it's on the coast where Fort Ord used to be). The rangers there are happy to talk with visitors, and they appreciate that those visitors take the time to ask them about policy rather than just going ahead and doing what they want.ReactReply
- STJul 5, 2024
Mate, its nothing to do with the authority.
Its a personal choice and its a personal obligation.
If your objective is prioritising your shiny cock over everything else.
Sigh.
It was fun while it lasted.
ReactReply - EAJul 5, 2024This is a straight out false dichotomy a perfect example of whataboutism that continues to deflect from the reality. Genuine nudist beliefs are exclusive of the idea that sexual activity is a private thing and cock rings despite all the protestations are designed as a precursor to sexual activity so because,oneperson oronehappens to go along with the idea that c rings are non sexual doesnt make it so. On earth one that just isnt reality. People in the majority of people in the nudist community and on mainstream society see it for what it is. The consequence of trying project an alternative set of facts on earth two doesnt change. This is a case of the minority who arent being harmed claiming victimhood I the face of the actual beliefs of the majority are being harmed. [quote]. If you truly sense that the mere wearing of genital jewelry is enough to get a beach closed down by public authorities, then by all means discourage it... not because it's a betrayal of nudist beliefs or sentiments of personal freedom, but because the Powers That Be at that particular beach have dictated it. "When in Rome..." Same for resorts, who have a lot more power to boot somebody who's out of line with their philosophy..[/quote]ReactReply
- JOJul 7, 2024StevieLorna wrote: [quote]Mate, its nothing to do with the authority. Its a personal choice and its a personal obligation. [/quote] I do agree with that, as far as personal sentiments go. But what I'm fearing is that it has everything to do with the authority. When people say that beaches will be closed down because of X activity, it won't be because fellow beachgoers have a problem with X. It will be because the authorities have a problem with X. "X" could be anything from simple nudity to overt sex. It won't matter.ReactReply
- STJul 8, 2024
Ok, Woodsman. How would you deal with X.
How would you convince X that what X is doing is not in keeping with promotion of nudism as a non sexual, family friendly activity where all are welcome who adhere to this philosophy.
Tell us all how you would speak to X and convince them that how the others see them is what is making it harder to keep these spaces safe for the future?
ReactReply - EAJul 8, 2024Thanks for pointing out the clear obfuscation. Why muddy the waters by introducing "x". We arent talking about X or some unknown. The OP asked about a specific situation, that we know has specific consequences. I am so perplexed as to why the individualist libertarian viewpoint being expressed cant take this argument head on. Why cant we just address the issue at hand and its clear consequences. [quote]Ok, How would you convince X that what X is doing is not in keeping with promotion of nudism as a non sexual, family friendly activity where all are welcome who adhere to this philosophy. Tell us all how you would speak to X and convince them that how the others see them is what is making it harder to keep these spaces safe for the future?[/quote]ReactReply
- JOJul 8, 2024StevieLorna wrote: [quote]Ok, Woodsman. How would you deal with X. How would you convince X that what X is doing is not in keeping with promotion of nudism as a non sexual, family friendly activity where all are welcome who adhere to this philosophy. Tell us all how you would speak to X and convince them that how the others see them is what is making it harder to keep these spaces safe for the future?[/quote] I'm glad you asked that. It would depend on the X. If it's as simple as a cock ring, I probably wouldn't say anything about it. I certainly wouldn't compliment him on it. But I would ask him about why he was on the beach, and what he was looking for. If I thought he might be a candidate for the true nudist lifestyle, I might remark on that ring later on in the conversation, letting him know that the ring might be construed as sending out the wrong signals. If he said that those were precisely the signals he was putting out, then I'd tell him "Good luck with that. Nobody's interested in that here. If you think that this nude beach (or resort, or whatever) is a place where sex happens, you have been misinformed." If he was engaging in any kind of sexuality -- with or without a cock ring -- from flaunting an erection or hitting up women to anything more extreme, I'd say, "Hey, dude, you're out of line here. This is a public beach, but we're being nude here only because we're telling the authorities that we're a family-oriented activity. Do you want to get us closed down for everybody? Please don't do what you're doing and ruin it all for the rest of us!" If he complied with the request, no harm, no foul. If he persisted with the activity, I'd call the authorities and let them know what this person was doing, and that if they wanted to prosecute him, I would be totally OK with that. That would make it clear to the authorities that we are as concerned with the public image of non-sexual nudism as they are, and that we're on their side.ReactReply
- MEMemberJul 8, 2024
I think it is silly and ridicules anyone is worried about jewelry!
Your worried about beaches being closed, I have far more worry about the insane Christian right is doing to the USA!
Look up the Project 2025, and you will not only lose a public lifestyle, but you will lose way more!
ReactReply - STJul 8, 2024
Woodsman you are never going to admit even a simple cock ring is a sexual device.
If you have an Amazon account, type in Cock Ring and see what the rest of the world thinks they are.
ReactReply - EAJul 8, 2024
The notion that what is happening with clothing optional beach closures is unrelated to what is happening in the broader US society is a rather narrow worldview. Here is a simple metaphor to understand why simply blaming others doesnt hold water for me. I know that someone is intent on harming me with a gun the last thing I would think of doing is to give them bullets.
It seems to me that calling another person's opinion and perspective ridiculous while pushing your own is partly why we cant get anything done everyone is focus only on what matters to them. The other part is few people want to focus on the actual issue, instead there a continuous deflection and projection of side and sometimes irrelevant issues. In the end we will all know what is real and what is not 5 years from now if this pattern continues.
ReactReply - JOJul 8, 2024StevieLorna wrote: [quote]Woodsman you are never going to admit even a simple cock ring is a sexual device.[/quote] I do admit that in most cases, a man wearing a simple cock ring is calling attention to his penis. In my previous remarks, I said that I would try to persuade that person that his cock ring is out of place on a normal nude beach or resort. I also pointed out that a simple cock-and-ball ring can also be worn as not a sexual signaling device but a means of comfort. And I have gone so far as to test that theory and have found it valid. So I'm going to make allowances for that.ReactReply
- MEMemberJul 8, 2024[quote]The notion that what is happening with clothing optional beach closures is unrelated to what is happening in the broader US society is a rather narrow worldview. Here is a simple metaphor to understand why simply blaming others doesnt hold water for me. I know that someone is intent on harming me with a gun the last thing I would think of doing is to give them bullets. It seems to me that calling another person's opinion and perspective ridiculous while pushing your own is partly why we cant get anything done everyone is focus only on what matters to them. The other part is few people want to focus on the actual issue, instead there a continuous deflection and projection of side and sometimes irrelevant issues. In the end we will all know what is real and what is not 5 years from now if this pattern continues.[/quote] I call you out on BS! What does a cock ring, pierced nipple or clit have to do with a beach closing? NOTHING! Its pure ignorance...and religion loves to be ignorant to anything other to what they believe! If someone is having sex in public, thats different! Jewelry is now being perverted by ignorant people! Guess what, you just fit the mold...........and if you think people will close beaches for jewelry, you cant wrap your head around other things they will shut down! JFC!ReactReply
- EAJul 8, 2024
The BS response is exactly what I mean. There is no attempt to engage the issue at hand to examine any facts. Just shoot and call BS to try to silence the majority who are being impacted. The list clothing optional places for swimming lost over the last 5-10 is not exhaustive but long enough. They are all across the US and even Australia. They have been closed due to the "authorities" as one commenter calls it using the premise of sexual activity brought about by the presence of the "poor c ring wearing victims". I wont take time to list them because with any minimum effort they, can be found and I I wont support the pejorative approach you have taken.
ReactReply - STJul 9, 2024[quote] a simple cock-and-ball ring can also be worn as not a sexual signaling device but a means of comfort. And I have gone so far as to test that theory and have found it valid. So I'm going to make allowances for that.[/quote] Woodsman, thats an admiral opinion that I might admire if you can explained to me how you can tell the difference please. Ill let the rest of the world know. Problem solved. To the guy calling BS, Ill stop calling it a sexual device and start calling it jewellery when I see cock rings for sale in Tiffanys.ReactReply
- SA
Jul 9, 2024This thread has become 27 pages of nudist culture wars on the weaponization of the cock ring. Call it Exhibit B on the death of a healthy nudist/naturist community. Exhibit A is the decline of this website.
I have a clear silicone cock ring myself and like how it makes my penis protude a bit, following the tradition those who know how to make a picture of white briefs less mundane. It's a reminder to improve my posture, strengthen my core, and watch my diet as I like most Western men have some pelvice anterior tilt (tucking in my groin from too much sitting) and excess belly fat (hanging over my groin). It is not a statement that I am against the concept that all nudity must be nonsexual and family oriented.
If I were to wear a cock ring to a nudist beach, I wouldn't be ashamed of it, but likely take it off because I don't want tan lines and it feels restrictive. If I kept it on, I doubt anyone would notice or care because my cock isn't particularly noteworthy with or without it. If it were more noticeable, like red or something, I personally would consider it like nail polish on women: noticable and not appealing to me. But why get worked up over others' choices? Or ask questions like "What would Jesus or Tiffany's do?"
Breathe. Relax. If you like to take your clothes off around other people, let your attitudes follow. The world won't end because people have different outlooks. And if you really think it will, stay safe in a straight jacket of your body and mind.ReactReply - STJul 9, 2024[quote]The world won't end because people have different outlooks. And if you really think it will, stay safe in a straight jacket of your body and mind.[/quote] Absolutely, as Ive said on this thread many times I could care less what a few old men stick to their groin My outlook is that is a sexual device sold as sex aid,. Tell me its for some other reason my outlook is not to believe you.ReactReply
- EAJul 9, 2024This is rich coming from a person who comments and posts usually include world ending diatribes about victimization from the nudist community. I dont remember any one of us who have concerns about this issue being hyperbolic and saying the world is ending. However, it is factual reality that public spaces for social nudism and nude recreation could indeed come to an end if this way of thinking and behavior is not curbed. Doesnt seem to me that the c ring victims have any interest in that. The only interest is in I. I this I that. And forget families, forget women, forget the people who want to enjoy a non sexual day at a clothing optional beach. Forget the majority we are all just prudes and religious fanatics because we think somethings are not appropriate in public nudist settings. It has been said before but what you do in private is what you do in private and I dont give a rip if you want to hang a boulder around your balls. But what we do in public impacts others. Putting the onus on everyone else to tolerate your actions that impact us is a type of toxic individuality that seems to be driving many of the mind boggling responses. [quote]The world won't end because people have different outlooks. And if you really think it will, stay safe in a straight jacket of your body and mind.[/quote]ReactReply