U saw a man at a nude beach wearing a penis ring. Any thoughts?

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  EarlD

  Jul 1, 2024

  To be clear if this kind of behavior continues unchecked isnt those of us who just want to be clothes free without sexual behavior in natural spaces will continue to see options reduced or eliminated. It only provides fuel for those who want to deny us the practice altogether.

  It was only a couple years ago the clothing optional section of Gunnison reduced without comment from anyone. Haulover is under scrutiny as reported by the South Florida Free Beaches Association and just recently Byron Bay in Australia clothing optional section was eliminated according to reports because conservatives used that kind of thing as an excuse.

  Non sexual nudism is under threat and benign neglect from genuine nudists is partly to blame. It is time to call it out the behavior because that is the right thing to do and the only way to preserve any hope for public spaces for social nudism.

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  EarlD

  Jul 1, 2024

  To be clear if this kind of behavior continues unchecked those of us who just want to be clothes free without sexual behavior in natural spaces will continue to see options reduced or eliminated. The behavior no matter how some try to spin it only provides fuel for those who want to deny us the practice altogether.

  It was only a couple years ago the clothing optional section of Gunnison reduced without comment from anyone. Haulover is under scrutiny as reported by the South Florida Free Beaches Association and just recently Byron Bay in Australia clothing optional section was eliminated according to reports because conservatives used this kind of thing as an excuse.

  Non sexual nudism is under threat and benign neglect from genuine nudists is partly to blame. It is time to call it out the behavior because that is the right thing to do and the only way to preserve any hope for public spaces for social nudism.

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  Bill

  Jul 1, 2024

  There are those in TN who constantly keep up the mantra, how nudism in America (and elsewhere) is heading downhill, and that the inevitable demise of nude resorts and CO beaches is already on the way, that the trend away from healthy social nudism is coming, through many divergent and often contradictory reasons - not the least of which is allowing free expression of open sexual practices where naked people congregate.

  Sadly, they are not wrong if we caring, informed, and otherwise-inclined supporters of legal bareness allow a few bad characters to push their bullshit, prurient narrative - that they somehow have the right to fuck and suck on demand wherever they care to. When another place loses its wholesome, family-friendly nude spot, we naturists all lose, and we lose big time. It's a shame when a small percentage of visitors end up being walking pricks and uncontrolled clits, and those few do pull us all down with them with their lack of reasonable self control.

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  Member

  Jul 1, 2024

  WW1 . . . you stated the most obvious with clarity. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote. The only catch is getting the offending horde to read the post and realize its about their stupidity selfish behavior. As has been said before, the only way to stop it (inappropriate behavior) is self policing. Simply put, we need to be much more assertive about telling them to *GET A ROOM*!!!

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  EarlD

  Jul 1, 2024

  This is on point and unfortunately there are people who call themselves nudists and in the name of individual freedom turn a blind leading to the inevitable results we are seeing now. But what does that matter if they are able to express themselves right? [quote] When another place loses its wholesome, family-friendly nude spot, we naturists all lose, and we lose big time. It's a shame when a small percentage of visitors end up being walking pricks and uncontrolled clits, and those few do pull us all down with them with their lack of reasonable self control.[/quote]

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 2, 2024

  Going back to the original question, thoughts on seeing someone with a penis ring.

  I dont care what you wear.

  I do have opinions on it though.

  In over twenty four years visiting nudist resorts ab beaches weve encountered all kinds of people from all walks of life with all kinds of interests. Weve met many swingers at nudist resorts but happily never encountered anything overtly sexual from their public behaviour.

  Weve also seen couples with various piercings and genital decorations. If we see a woman with pierced nipples and clit ring with a man sporting a Prince Albert we automatically assume they are swingers. They may not always be, but personal experience tells us its almost always the case. Everyone else at the resort also thinks this. So if we see a guy with a cock ring, we might not think hes a swinger, (being solo and in his later years, usually) but we definitely think a sexual encounter is on his mind.

  So when a bejewelled guy sits down next to us at the pool when there are dozens of other free loungers, I do question his motives. I wouldnt question the motives of a guy in a hat, or someone wearing sunglasses.
  So dont start that bollocks and expect us to fall for it.

  Answering the original question then, If I see a guy with a penis ring, I think he is wearing it because he want others to know, hes part of the looking for fun crowd even though its just making him look pathetic instead,

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  John

  Jul 2, 2024

  StevieLorna wrote: [quote] In over twenty four years visiting nudist resorts ab beaches weve encountered all kinds of people from all walks of life with all kinds of interests. Weve met many swingers at nudist resorts but happily never encountered anything overtly sexual from their public behaviour. Weve also seen couples with various piercings and genital decorations. If we see a woman with pierced nipples and clit ring with a man sporting a Prince Albert we automatically assume they are swingers. [/quote] I wonder if that's a cultural difference between Europe and the Americas. It's good to know how you'd be received at a different environment than you're used to. So people may need to keep that in mind when traveling. Here in the western US, I haven't seen genital jewelry used as an indicator of promiscuity. (Or maybe I'm too obtuse to get the reference. I am in many ways more naive than most people are.) Thanks for your observation.

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  John

  Jul 2, 2024

  One more thing: there's a great temptation in the public mind to conflate genital jewelry, or even simple nudity, with overt sexual activity. The latter is definitely out if we want to keep beaches nudist-friendly, as I'll explain below. But nudity is equated with pornography in our culture (if you doubt me, just put the word "nudist" or "nude" in your browser and see how far you have to scroll down before you find a genuine nudist web site.) That's the biggest obstacle we face.

  I wonder what's being discussed at city councils in the areas where nude beaches are threatened. I don't know if they saying that "We've got to close down this beach because people are going beyond mere public displays of affection" or "We've got to close down this beach because people are wearing genital jewelry that we find out of line" or "We've got to close down this beach because people are walking around buck-naked."

  Here in the US, the last statement is usually all that's necessary to put the kibosh on nudist activities on public land. If the people are naked, we have to stop it. It doesn't matter what they're doing, or what they're wearing in the way of jewelry. Nudity is immoral, and therefore must be made illegal.

  But there's no question at all about public humping. It has no place in any public venue, whether naked or clothed. In California and other states, it easily falls under the category of "lewd and lascivious behavior" that's been the catch-all for any prosecution of public nudity. I don't see any problem with people being prosecuted for that. But I'm horrified that its presence on a public beach is used as a justification for banning all nudity.

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  EarlD

  Jul 3, 2024

  Wow really? [quote] Here in the western US, I haven't seen genital jewelry used as an indicator of promiscuity. [/quote]

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 3, 2024

  [quote]Wow really? Here in the western US, I haven't seen genital jewelry used as an indicator of promiscuity.[/quote] Come on Woodsman, I honestly cant believe you are that naive.

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  EarlD

  Jul 3, 2024

  The notion that Europe where everyday nudity is much more common place is different from the US in equating genital jewelry to promiscuity while us delighted people in the western US do seems so far fetched it strains credulity.

  Could it simply be that genital jewelry like all other jewelry is meant to call attention to itself and signal something about the intention of the the wearer as another commenter suggested. Example wedding rings call attention to an individual hand and signal they are not available. Earrings call attention to the wearers face and can signal several things including a desire to be seen or in some cases sexual orientation.

  All body decoration including jewelry serve a purpose and signal intention. To suggest that some how genital jewelry in this case cock rings are except from that just benign and so should be treated with benign neglect the so called live and let live approach is a paper tiger and ruse IMO opinion meant to deflect attention away from the factual impact that genital jewelry and other sexual devices (like butt plugs) worn a clothing optional beaches has on the experience of the vast majority of people who do not feel the need to accessorize it that fashion in said beaches. As well as the impact it has on the mainstream public perception which continues to result in the erosion of public clothing optional spaces.

  IMO the desires of the many for nonsexual clothing optional spaces are being subjugation by the desires of the few under the guise of individual freedom, respect and tolerance.

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  Oso

  Jul 3, 2024

  Come on Woodsman, I honestly cant believe you are that naive.[/quote] I visit a family friendly resort where on our first trip there I figured I'd be the only guy with genital piercings...to my surprise that was not the case at all. I have seen dozens of men(probably 30-40), in the 2 years we have been going, with genital piercings ranging in age from 20s to 70s, including the owner of the resort. And not a single one has ever came across as cruising, looking to hookup, or swinging to my wife and I or any of our friends at the resort. Now are some of them swingers? probably so, I am sure some are single men who would enjoy sex as well. But a genital piercing does not equate to swinging, cruising, or looking to hookup. Making a blanket statement that all men with genital piercings are swingers and looking for sex is just as dumb as the blanket statement other people make when they say that all nudist are sexual deviants.

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  John

  Jul 3, 2024

  [quote] Come on Woodsman, I honestly cant believe you are that naive.[/quote] Well, maybe I am. Or maybe I just see people at face value, without a lot of pre-judgment. I dunno.

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 4, 2024

  [quote] Well, maybe I am. Or maybe I just see people at face value, without a lot of pre-judgment. I dunno.[/quote] There it is, the Im not judgmental card. Woodsman your statement is an oxymoron. By saying you have accepted people at face value is also a judgment on their character. Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and thats the problem.

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• ME

  Member

  Jul 4, 2024

  As an adder to Stevie's comment, "Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and that's the problem."is exactly the issue. Regardless of what anyone may want to believe, adding a bling factor to your genitals is an attempt to draw attention, period. That's why they're made. Otherwise, all the efforts, similarly designed, at advertising would go for naught. On the point presented by Voodoomagik about his resort having numerous folks with genital adornments, that is obviously true based upon his observation. But the likely causality is group 'self selection'. Per the generic definition, "especially : to opt in or out of something (such as a group, activity, or category) in accordance with one's personality, interests, etc.." The people that are comfortable with that environment choose to be there and the others opt out. You're not seeing the whole pool of potential nudist members, just the ones comfortable with the, most probably, known environment. Added proof can be easily observed here on TN as the spoofers, fakes, assorted 'comfort people' and generic perverts have been more prevalent in daily interactions here on the site. The folks more tolerant of that activity are staying while the balance are slowly disappearing. Cases can be made for all of it, but the declining numbers here and disappearing public venues are 'prima facie' evidence that cannot be refuted.Keep it natural and have a better chance of keeping the spaces.

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  EarlD

  Jul 4, 2024

  This is the truth that none of the pro genital jewelry people want to address. And that is a large part of the issue. They don't want to address it because they know its the truth so they skirt around it, obfuscate, conflate and talk about individual experiences that they generalize to everyone else. They do everything but address the issue. [quote]As an adder to Stevie's comment, "Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and that's the problem." is exactly the issue. Regardless of what anyone may want to believe, adding a bling factor to your genitals is an attempt to draw attention, period. That's why they're made. Otherwise, all the efforts, similarly designed, at advertising would go for naught.[/quote]

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  EarlD

  Jul 4, 2024

  Making the point that one individual experience at one unnamed "family" resort can be generalized to every other resort and every other nudist situation is like saying one time I was is a garage and there were other cars there and I felt like a car. So everybody who goes into a with cars should feel like a car. Huh?

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  John

  Jul 4, 2024

  StevieLorna wrote responding to my quote: [quote]"Well, maybe I am. Or maybe I just see people at face value, without a lot of pre-judgment. I dunno." Woodsman your statement is an oxymoron. By saying you have accepted people at face value is also a judgment on their character.[/quote] I guess it could be taken that way. What I meant to say is that if a person is simply wearing a plain cock ring, I'm not going to make a value judgment on his morals or his character. I'm going to wait to see if he goes out of his way to be sexually aggressive, socially obnoxious, or in-my-face about it. That's when I'll make an analysis of his character. [quote]Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and thats the problem.[/quote] Maybe that's true of most people, and I'll grant that it could be taken as grounds for suspicion in some circumstances. But as I mentioned before, any sort of pubic adornment is a grey area. I've seen more than a few ladies with a "landing strip" shave, with a bit of hair remaining above the vulva but shaved clean elsewhere. I can't imagine that it's for comfort. It clearly signals to me that the woman wants to call attention to her pubic cleft. But am I to assume that the woman is trolling for sexual contact? Or maybe she's seen it on other women and just likes the look? Some men shave their pubic area, and say that it's for comfort. Others do it to make their junk look bigger. But in the latter case, are they signaling that they're ready for sex, or do they just like the look of having a longer penis? When women shave their pubic area, is it for comfort or because they want people to take their shaven pubes as a sign that they're out for promiscuity? If we draw the line at cock rings, fine, we draw the line there. But there are many other potential lines to be drawn, and many other reasons for supposing that people are signaling more than just a love of self and a love of nudity. My real concern is that, once we start drawing these lines, we are tempted to draw others, about pubic hair, tattoos, or even haircuts. (Is that far-fetched? I remember a time when long hair was definitely a symbol of the counter-culture, to the point where I was once spit on simply because I had long hair then.) I'm talking, of course, about how we regard ourselves. How others regard us, including the people who share beaches with us or with public magistrates who dictate the bounds of propriety, is something else again. We have to be sensitive to those feelings, too, particularly when our right to use those beaches is at stake. I don't think there's any disagreement there.

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  Oso

  Jul 4, 2024

  [quote]StevieLorna wrote responding to my quote: Whether or not wearing a cock ring make you sexually promiscuous or more likely, wishing to be sexually promiscuous its how others see you, and thats the problem. Maybe that's true of most people, and I'll grant that it could be taken as grounds for suspicion in some circumstances. But as I mentioned before, any sort of pubic adornment is a grey area. I've seen more than a few ladies with a "landing strip" shave, with a bit of hair remaining above the vulva but shaved clean elsewhere. I can't imagine that it's for comfort. It clearly signals to me that the woman wants to call attention to her pubic cleft. But am I to assume that the woman is trolling for sexual contact? Or maybe she's seen it on other women and just likes the look? Some men shave their pubic area, and say that it's for comfort. Others do it to make their junk look bigger. But in the latter case, are they signaling that they're ready for sex, or do they just like the look of having a longer penis? When women shave their pubic area, is it for comfort or because they want people to take their shaven pubes as a sign that they're out for promiscuity? If we draw the line at cock rings, fine, we draw the line there. But there are many other potential lines to be drawn, and many other reasons for supposing that people are signaling more than just a love of self and a love of nudity. My real concern is that, once we start drawing these lines, we are tempted to draw others, about pubic hair, tattoos, or even haircuts. (Is that far-fetched? I remember a time when long hair was definitely a symbol of the counter-culture, to the point where I was once spit on simply because I had long hair then.) I'm talking, of course, about how we regard ourselves. How others regard us, including the people who share beaches with us or with public magistrates who dictate the bounds of propriety, is something else again. We have to be sensitive to those feelings, too, particularly when our right to use those beaches is at stake. I don't think there's any disagreement there.[/quote] This is exactly it. These people want genital piercings and cock rings to be the scapegoat for the nudist community. When in reality the decline of public nudist spaces is due to people behaving poorly in public, overt sexual acts in public, etc. And those two things are not one in the same. Obviously they think genital piercings and jewelry equates to sexual deviants and they want to believe that that is what's causing the decline in nudist populations and public nude venues. A man having a Prince Albert ring, or a woman having her clitoris pierced doesn't equate to swinging and sexual promiscuity anymore than a person shaving bare to make their genitals more visible. Or as you said, one shaving a certain design into their genitals, obviously they went out of their way to shave in a landing strip, or a triangle patch of pubes...does that mean they are looking for sex? Of course not. And its absolutely ignorant for people to think that.

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  EarlD

  Jul 5, 2024

  The scapegoat argument is a total false flag. I could use another phrase but I will keep it civil. Facts are facts. The nudist community is the one being scapegoated. Mainstream society sees the guys on public beaches wearing a "simple cock ring" and they move to a precursor to sex. It doesnt matter what the nudist community thinks at that point get your facts straight and stop all the deceptive projection. Why is it you all never speak to the real issue. No one can tell you what to do or wear in the privacy of your own home. But a beach is not a private space and in every civilized society their a norms for what is appropriate in a public spaces.

  We are losing so many of the spaces for simple nudity while all the individual people who want to put their individual "comfort" and personal desires above all the people who just want to being clothes free at the beach with friends and family. There was a simple thread on Reddit and it didnt take long for several examples to be pointed where c/o places were ruined for everyone because of this craziness. But I suspect the c ringers dont really care.

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 5, 2024

  [quote]. But I suspect the c ringers dont really care.[/quote] The simple fact is the guy whos wearing old washing machine parts on his cock and balls will never concede is sexual. Everyone else thinks it is. So when all the nudist spaces are gone, itll be because of all these people in hats or with haircuts that ruined it. Woodsman, the excuses after excuses is embarrassing, Im sorry.

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  John

  Jul 5, 2024

  [quote]. So when all the nudist spaces are gone, itll be because of all these people in hats or with haircuts that ruined it. Woodsman, the excuses after excuses is embarrassing, Im sorry.[/quote] If I'm making the same point over and over, it's because I don't think I'm properly getting my message across. I apologize for that. And I do maintain that when we lose all those nudist spaces, it's because of people who are acting badly with sexual misconduct or making unwanted advances to other people, not people who wear jewelry that mainstream nudists frown on. If you truly sense that the mere wearing of genital jewelry is enough to get a beach closed down by public authorities, then by all means discourage it... not because it's a betrayal of nudist beliefs or sentiments of personal freedom, but because the Powers That Be at that particular beach have dictated it. "When in Rome..." Same for resorts, who have a lot more power to boot somebody who's out of line with their philosophy. Maybe it's time for a frank talk with the authorities, to ask them what they consider out of line. I know of one nudist beach around here (I forget the name of it offhand, but it's on the coast where Fort Ord used to be). The rangers there are happy to talk with visitors, and they appreciate that those visitors take the time to ask them about policy rather than just going ahead and doing what they want.

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  StevieLorna

  Jul 5, 2024

  Mate, its nothing to do with the authority.

  Its a personal choice and its a personal obligation.

  If your objective is prioritising your shiny cock over everything else.

  Sigh.

  It was fun while it lasted.

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  EarlD

  Jul 5, 2024

  This is a straight out false dichotomy a perfect example of whataboutism that continues to deflect from the reality. Genuine nudist beliefs are exclusive of the idea that sexual activity is a private thing and cock rings despite all the protestations are designed as a precursor to sexual activity so because,oneperson oronehappens to go along with the idea that c rings are non sexual doesnt make it so. On earth one that just isnt reality. People in the majority of people in the nudist community and on mainstream society see it for what it is. The consequence of trying project an alternative set of facts on earth two doesnt change. This is a case of the minority who arent being harmed claiming victimhood I the face of the actual beliefs of the majority are being harmed. [quote]. If you truly sense that the mere wearing of genital jewelry is enough to get a beach closed down by public authorities, then by all means discourage it... not because it's a betrayal of nudist beliefs or sentiments of personal freedom, but because the Powers That Be at that particular beach have dictated it. "When in Rome..." Same for resorts, who have a lot more power to boot somebody who's out of line with their philosophy..[/quote]

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