Had a home a few years ago where I was a full-time nudist in my house & backyard. Over the years, I rented a room to different housemates. Some were nudists, some not. I made it clear in the beginning that I would ALWAYS be nude, even when they would invite guests to come over. Not once did I ever have a problem with a clothed person concerning my nudity. Thats because its all about how I behaved. Im so comfortable with my naked body, and doing normal, everyday things, that my conduct put (clothed) people at ease. I was very sexual when I lived there, but I kept a hard line between that and my everyday nudity. If it wasnt a sexual situation, then I didnt act like it, nor ever got aroused. I even demonstrated a sex toy for a clothed, mixed group, at their request. It would normally be used when a man had an erection, but since it wasnt a sexual situation, I didnt have one. I told many people that social nudity and sexual behavior are completely separate things. I also imparted this adage:
Social nudity is not about SEEING or being SEEN.
Its about BEING nude.
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koala53Jan 6, 2024As far as this is concerned, it doesn't matter what we might think, what counts is the way other people, behave and think about things. If people don't want to see me nude, they'll look another way. If someone doesn't like me being totally shaved, tough. I can separate social nudity from sexual nudity, if someone else does want sex with me, I'll consider it. If she wants to experience social nudity with me, we can do that as well. Stupid to think that while a lady might be sexually attracted to a nude male, for any reason, another male shouldn't be similarly attracted. Come up with your own answer and then the world will be in the normal balance.
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Stone AndyJan 6, 2024[quote]Some anthropologists would say supermarkets are why humans started to wear clothes.[/quote] I think you're right on this point. The evidence points to it all starting with shoes and shirts - No shoes no shirt no service!ReactReply - TD
Tom DJan 6, 2024[quote]Some anthropologists would say supermarkets are why humans started to wear clothes. I think you're right on this point. The evidence points to it all starting with shoes and shirts - No shoes no shirt no service![/quote] I rarely wear a shirt in the summer except in places that require them.ReactReply - ST
StevieLornaJan 6, 2024Wearing clothes in places that require them, thats quite normal.
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JerryJan 26, 2024[quote]Anyone else getting bored with old-school nudism and the recurring, ridiculous protestations of nudist asexuality? Whats wrong with sexual nudity anyway? Why does it have to be separate? We are sexual beings. Our sexuality isnt contained in our clothing, so it isnt removed when we remove our clothing. Its 2023 guys - sexuality has been emancipated. Get over it.[/quote] Very well said. nudity and sexuality are both our natural form. Clothing was constructed to cover our skin for sexual denial. We, and I mean me, as a nudist are shedding that archaic concept and embrace the totality of who I am as well as all of those around me, and especially those I would call my friends. That being said, we all should still be respectful of others. That does not mean that we deprive ourselves of everything just in case one thing "may" offend someone. I challenge you to go about your day, and never do ANYTHING that could possibly offend ANYONE. It is literally impossible. The best thing is to read the room. Gauge your behaviors based on those close to you. Push the limits a bit, and if you get a negative reaction, then adjust accordingly or move to another area or group. Surround yourself with like minded people.ReactReply - TDTom DJan 27, 2024[quote] Clothing was constructed to cover our skin for sexual denial. We, and I mean me, as a nudist are shedding that archaic concept and embrace the totality of who I am as well as all of those around me, and especially those I would call my friends. That being said, we all should still be respectful of others. .[/quote] While I certainly agree that for a long time, sexual denial has been a significant reason for people wearing clothing, some anthropologists believe that the original reason for clothing was a practical one. People started migrating further from the equator during a time of global cooling and they needed some sort of cover to keep warm. Perhaps the current combination of global warming and many people moving closer to the equator (at least in theUS) will help people abandon clothing or at least be more tolerant of those who do.ReactReply
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EarlDJan 27, 2024Where is the evidence for the idea that clothing was created for sexual denial. That a new one.
ReactReply - STStevieLornaJan 27, 2024[quote]Where is the evidence for the idea that clothing was created for sexual denial. That a new one.[/quote] Youre wasting your time, all his facts are form a toddlers storybook.ReactReply
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TimJan 27, 2024I thought that was an interesting take as well. I'm quite sure weather had a lot more to do with it.
ReactReply - EAEarlDFeb 28, 2024[quote]Where is the evidence for the idea that clothing was created for sexual denial. That a new one. Youre wasting your time, all his facts are form a toddlers storybook.[/quote] Still amazing to me how easily some people just make up and spout their own alternative "facts' with absolutely no basis in reality or truth. Guess that is the world we live in now.ReactReply
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JohnFeb 28, 2024[quote]I thought that was an interesting take as well. I'm quite sure weather had a lot more to do with it.[/quote] Wealth and weather. The rich could afford it, the poor were lucky to have rags. The more clothes you had on, the richer you were (or appeared to be to your neighbors). Now you have to have some wealth to join clubs or go to resorts where you can shed the clothes. John aka cobeachbumReactReply - EAEarlDFeb 29, 2024[quote]Now you have to have some wealth to join clubs or go to resorts where you can shed the clothes. John aka cobeachbum[/quote] On point this is a real problem in naturism today. The business model works mostly for those with means. The options for others are limited.ReactReply
- EAEarlDFeb 29, 2024
At the core of this "debate" is that many though not all have come to equate any form of nudity including sexual nudity as nudism. That is particularly though not exclusively the case in U.S. Europeans are more likely to see the practice of social nudity as naturism and a practice that should be available to everyone including families.
Injecting sexual nudity into nudism precludes families with children and has given ammunition to the segment of the U.S. population that wants to remove nudism from the social landscape all together. None of that really matters to the sexual libertines who simply use nudism a practice that is non sexual for the sexual proclivities.
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True, but if you live near a clothing optional beach you have a free or low cost option.
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Please askMar 1, 2024[quote]At the core of this "debate" ...[/quote] Very well said. As an American having lived in Europe for many years and having my first social nudity experience there, there is an important distinction betwene being naked and having sex. Too often in the US, including at nudist clubs and nude beaches, a sexual element is introduced, either willingly (in the case of resorts) or by sexual predators (as with beaches). This injection of sexual pursuits into social nudity is, I believe, a major reason why there is a US stigma against nudity. This is never the case in Europe. Germany is a good example, where almost every public pool has a section set aside for the cism is not an issue.lothes-free to enjoy and libertinism is not an issue.ReactReply - EAEarlDMar 1, 2024[quote]This injection of sexual pursuits into social nudity is, I believe, a major reason why there is a US stigma against nudity. This is never the case in Europe. Germany is a good example, where almost every public pool has a section set aside for the cism is not an issue.lothes-free to enjoy and libertinism is not an issue.[/quote] Exactly it doesnt mean those people arent out there is Europe but there are clear boundaries. IMO part of that is due to the fact that the Europeans maintained the ethical and philosophical principles of naturism while Americans opted for a primarily recreational view of social nudity focused mainly on a state of undress described as nudism. Brian Hoffman examines this in his book Naked. As does Maurice Parmelee in Nudism in Modern Life. Unfortunately as a society we dont read much any more and get our perspectives from the internet.ReactReply
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sargamSep 19, 2024I think I derive the joy of being seen naked and also see people of all shapes and sizes in nude.
I have a huge respect who can distinguish social nudity from sexual nudity.
Nudity not always means sexuality
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SiddharthSep 21, 2024I couldn't agree more. Since i am from India, nudism is considered taboo. It's really hard to find nudist friends here and even if people are involved in nudism, they feel shy is accepting that in public. I understand your thinking of being seen and spending some memorable time with other nudists. I actually want to live this lifestyle 24x7.
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JobyNov 20, 2024[quote]The proclamation that "Nudism is not about SEEING or being SEEN" is debatable IMHO. Because I don't think we can dismiss the visual element in social nudity. For example when my wife sees that everyone is nude at the resort, she feels more comfortable with people seeing her naked as well. It's enjoyable to see our friends displaying confidence in their nudity - and they feeling the same way about me. It's about acceptance and appreciation more than "titillation." I think for that idea to be more sensible you have to add "Nudism is not about SEEING or being SEEN - sexually." Because then it becomes something else that might not be about nudism.[/quote] Who are we kidding, folks. ;) When I first started practicing nudity I was always self-conscious about thoughts that might cross my mind if I saw someone with a nice physique. Or whatever. As if that went against the bylaws of what a true nudist is. 'You can't have those thoughts! Otherwise you're not a real nudist!' But let's face it, we all do. Have those thoughts. And they can't even be hidden on TN when you think about it. When a man sees a woman walking down the street with her breasts hanging out, and her mini skirt hiked up her thighs. you don't think she wants guys looking at her, or that guys AREN'T looking at her. And thinking things. If they weren't they wouldn't be human. So what makes you think they aren't going to be checking out a woman who his naked. And the female response to a naked man will be the same. Proof? I popped over to the chat board a few minutes ago and there was this pretty boy, in his 20s, who posted his pic. Perfect body. Great penis. And a gazillion "like" hearts popped up next to his picture within seconds. The 70 year old man above him, nothing. Again, when they saw the young hottie, what do you think was on their mind. I jokingly messaged him and told him he was the belle of the ball. With all the hearts. He was like, 'ha, ha, thanks. I didn't even notice.' Yeah, sure he didn't! lol. That's why he posted it. To get everyone (a)roused. I think we need to quit pretending that sex and nudity will exist within some separate vacuums.ReactReply - JOJobyNov 20, 2024[quote]The proclamation that "Nudism is not about SEEING or being SEEN" is debatable IMHO.Because I don't think we can dismiss the visual element in social nudity. For example when my wife sees that everyone is nude at the resort, she feels more comfortable with people seeing her naked as well. It's enjoyable to see our friends displaying confidence in their nudity - and they feeling the same way about me. It's about acceptance and appreciation more than "titillation."I think for that idea to be more sensible you have to add "Nudism is not about SEEING or being SEEN - sexually." Because then it becomes something else that might not be about nudism. Who are we kidding, folks. ;) When I first started practicing nudity I was always self-conscious about thoughts that might cross my mind if I saw someone with a nice physique. Or whatever. As if that went against the bylaws of what a true nudist is. 'You can't have those thoughts! Otherwise you're not a real nudist!' But let's face it, we all do. Have those thoughts. And they can't even be hidden on TN when you think about it. When a man sees a woman walking down the street with her breasts hanging out, and her mini skirt hiked up her thighs. you don't think she wants guys looking at her, or that guys AREN'T looking at her. And thinking things. If they weren't they wouldn't be human. So what makes you think they aren't going to be checking out a woman who his naked. And the female response to a naked man will be the same. Proof? I popped over to the chat board a few minutes ago and there was this pretty boy, in his 20s, who posted his pic. Perfect body. Great penis. And a gazillion "like" hearts popped up next to his picture within seconds. The 70 year old man above him, nothing. Again, when they saw the young hottie, what do you think was on their mind. I jokingly messaged him and told him he was the belle of the ball. With all the hearts. He was like, 'ha, ha, thanks. I didn't even notice.' Yeah, sure he didn't! lol. That's why he posted it. To get everyone (a)roused. I think we need to quit pretending that sex and nudity will exist within some separate vacuums.[/quote] And as a quick addendum, titillation vs. appreciation? Nah. We can convince ourselves we were just "appreciating" his body, but the way those hearts were flying....there was more than just appreciation going on. ;) And go to his profile and look at the sexualized comments about his penis, and his butt as he's lying there on his bed. Come on guys.ReactReply
- EAEarlDNov 20, 2024
All nudist practice social nudity but all nudity is not nudism.
ReactReply - STStevieLornaNov 20, 2024
On a thread about separating social nudity and sexual nudity there are always those who think nudism is all about them and their erection.
Never fails.
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J.Nov 20, 2024[quote]Wearing clothes are a choice. Nudity, as you have mentioned is not a choice. It is who we are. Biological phenomena are not designed to shock anyone. People mistakenly think that when a nudist guy is having an erection, it is about THEM.[/quote] We go on nude cruises where there are literally thousands of nudists walking around the ship and some of the private island stops and yet no erections. We go to large social nudist events at the big resorts where there are literally hundreds of nudists walking around grounds and yet no erections... almost like social nudist men don't get erections at inappropriate times in inappropriate locations.ReactReply - EAEarlDNov 20, 2024Nudity = nakedness or not being clothed. Nudism despite what many think on this site and else involves a specific philosophy of social interaction in nonsexual contexts, that respects others and moderates the gaze and also includes social nudity. [quote]What is the difference?[/quote]ReactReply